~ NEW FAMILY CODE, ROSY FUTURE FOR MOROCCAN WOMEN ~

[CarlEdwardRoss]

BISMILLAH IR-RAHMAAN IR-RAHEEM
Allahumma Salli ala nabi Muhammed
Aoodthu billahi min ash shaytaan ir-rajeem

[al-Ahzaab 33:21]
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much”

Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas:
I had been eager to ask 'Umar about the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said (in the Qur'an saying): If you two (wives of the Prophet namely Aisha and Hafsa) turn in repentance to Allah your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes) (66.4), till performed the Hajj along with 'Umar (and on our way back from Hajj) he went aside (to answer the call of nature) and I also went aside along with him carrying a tumbler of water. When he had answered the call of nature and returned. I poured water on his hands from the tumbler and he performed ablution. I said, "O Chief of the believers! ' Who were the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet to whom Allah said:
'If you two return in repentance (66.4)? He said, "I am astonished at your question, O Ibn 'Abbas. They were Aisha and Hafsa."
Then 'Umar went on relating the narration and said. "I and an Ansari neighbor of mine from Bani Umaiya bin Zaid who used to live in 'Awali Al-Medina, used to visit the Prophet in turns. He used to go one day, and I another day. When I went I would bring him the news of what had happened that day regarding the instructions and orders and when he went, he used to do the same for me. We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back. She said, 'Why do you take it ill that I retort upon you? By Allah, the wives of the Prophet retort upon him, and some of them may not speak with him for the whole day till night.' What she said scared me and I said to her, 'Whoever amongst them does so, will be a great loser.' Then I dressed myself and went to Hafsa and asked her, 'DOES ANY OF YOU KEEP ALLAH’S APOSTLE ANGRY ALL DAY LONG TILL NIGHT?' SHE REPLIED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. I said, 'She is a ruined losing person (and will never have success)! Doesn't she fear that Allah may get angry for the anger of Allah's Apostle and thus she will be ruined? Don't ask Allah's Apostle too many things, and don't retort upon him in any case, and don't desert him. Demand from me whatever you like, and don't be tempted to imitate your neighbor (i.e. 'Aisha) in her behavior towards the Prophet), for she (i.e. Aisha) is more beautiful than you, and more beloved to Allah's Apostle.
In those days it was rumored that Ghassan, (a tribe living in Sham) was getting prepared their horses to invade us. My companion went (to the Prophet on the day of his turn, went and returned to us at night and knocked at my door violently, asking whether I was sleeping. I was scared (by the hard knocking) and came out to him. He said that a great thing had happened. I asked him: What is it? Have Ghassan come? He replied that it was worse and more serious than that, and added that Allah's Apostle had divorced all his wives. I said, Hafsa is a ruined loser! I expected that would happen some day.' So I dressed myself and offered the Fajr prayer with the Prophet. Then the Prophet entered an upper room and stayed there alone. I went to Hafsa and found her weeping. I asked her, 'Why are you weeping? Didn't I warn you? Have Allah's Apostle divorced you all?' She replied, 'I don't know. He is there in the upper room.' I then went out and came to the pulpit and found a group of people around it and some of them were weeping. Then I sat with them for some time, but could not endure the situation. So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his: "Will you get the permission of (Allah's Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, 'I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.' So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again and said: "Will you get he permission for Umar? He went in and brought the same reply as before. When I was leaving, behold, the slave called me saying, "Allah's Apostle has granted you permission." So, I entered upon the Prophet and saw him lying on a mat without wedding on it, and the mat had left its mark on the body of the Prophet, and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing, I said: "Have you divorced your wives?' He raised his eyes to me and replied in the negative. And then while still standing, I said chatting: "Will you heed what I say, 'O Allah's Apostle! We, the people of Quraish used to have the upper hand over our women (wives), and when we came to the people whose women had the upper hand over them..."
'Umar told the whole story (about his wife). "On that the Prophet smiled." 'Umar further said, "I then said, 'I went to Hafsa and said to her: Do not be tempted to imitate your companion ('Aisha) for she is more beautiful than you and more beloved to the Prophet.' The Prophet smiled again. When I saw him smiling, I sat down and cast a glance at the room, and by Allah, I couldn't see anything of importance but three hides. I said (to Allah's Apostle) "Invoke Allah to make your followers prosperous for the Persians and the Byzantines have been made prosperous and given worldly luxuries, though they do not worship Allah?' The Prophet was leaning then (and on hearing my speech he sat straight) and said, 'O Ibn Al-Khatttab! Do you have any doubt (that the Hereafter is better than this world)? These people have been given rewards of their good deeds in this world only.' I asked the Prophet . 'Please ask Allah's forgiveness for me. THE PROPHET DID NOT GO TO HIS WIVES BECAUSE OF THE SECRECT WHICH HAFSA had disclosed to 'Aisha, and HE SAID HE WOULD NOT GO TO HIS WIVES FOR ONE MONTH as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Maria). When twenty-nine days had passed, the Prophet went to Aisha first of all. She said to him, 'You took an oath that you would not come to us for one month, and today only twenty-nine days have passed, as I have been counting them day by day.' The Prophet said, 'The month is also of twenty-nine days.' That month consisted of twenty-nine days. 'Aisha said, 'When the Divine revelation of Choice was revealed, the Prophet started with me, saying to me, 'I am telling you something, but you needn't hurry to give the reply till you can consult your parents." 'Aisha knew that her parents would not advise her to part with the Prophet . The Prophet said that Allah had said:--
'O Prophet! Say To your wives; If you desire The life of this world And its glitter, ... then come! I WILL MAKE PROVISION FOR YOU AND SET YOU FREE In a handsome manner. BUT IF YOU SEEK(OBEY, DO NOT RETORT )[interpretation of the meaning Allah, soubhanna wa taa’la, knows best] ALLAH AND HIS APOSTLE and The Home of the Hereafter, then Verily, Allah has prepared For the GOOD-DOERS amongst you A great reward.' (33.28) 'Aisha said, 'Am I to consult my parents about this? I indeed prefer Allah, His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter.' After that the Prophet gave the choice to his other wives and they also gave the same reply as 'Aisha did."
As-salaamu laykum wa-rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu;
I know that the preceding hadith is long but I did not want to shorten it thereby causing a misunderstanding of the meaning within. I will leave the point for those to ponder without stating it at the moment.
Freemocy:
I do not know what you mean by equal footing. It is most important that men and women are treating each other fairly. I do not believe men and women will ever be equal. Even two oranges from the same tree branch are not exactly the same. The issue is whether or not women in Morocco are protesting due to injustices. Are theses outcrys and protests actual signs and indications of an injustice to Moroccan women in general. During my stay in Morocco, I did not notice anything obviously unfair to women there. Women were working every where in the souks, banks, government offices, as police officers and on and on. There were women on the streets everywhere. Women were in all kinds of dress from tight fitting clothes to hijab-jalabi. No police were arresting women for speaking to men, improper dressing, dancing, drinking alcohol nor smoking. So honestly I can not say that I am a witness to any injustices to women in Morocco.
As for the Moudwanna, from what I understand it does not really change much from what I can remember of the modifications. All of the modifications generally are interlinking and not much different. Briefly, the only “new” thing I see is the giving of a greater chance for a woman to gain custody of the children after divorce thereby gaining the house but necessarily the possessions inside the house. All the others concessions are simply sunnah in which the King simply reaffirms the sunnah. Many peoples are looking at the “new” laws on polygamy and obedience. Polygamy under special circumstances is sunnah. Disobeying the husband at times is a way of the Prophet Muhammad’s wives. Disobeying your husband gives the husband reason to leave and divorce the wife. The phrase in the “new” moudwanna that women do not have to obey their husbands ties into the new addition that women are jointly responsible for the family thereby “freeing” their way to seek menas outside of the home. If there is no husband maintaing you then there is no one to obey. Obedience is due to maintenance. Men have a degree above women in aquiring their means.
Personally I dislike women seeking their means outside of the home because from what I observe her in the United States. Women supporting men. Women working outside of the home all the time causes peversions and inferiority complexes in the women leading them into prostitution. Women begin feeling inferior and begin to want to be men by trying to look like men, work like men, or having surgeries to modify their bodies to be more sexually appealing to men so as to be easier to sell their bodies. The Prophet Muhammed (salli allahu alayhi wa salaam) curses this
“The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed women who imitate men. It also takes modesty away from the woman, because it opens the door to wearing the clothes of the people of Hell, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen…” and he described one of them as being, “women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait, with something on their heads that looks like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will never enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such and such a distance.”
End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen

And Allah (soubhanna wa taa’la) knows best..

Soubhannaka Allah wa bihamdihi;
Sheikh Ieesau ibn Mhamed

[CarlEdwardRoss]

BISMILLAH IR-RAHMAAN IR-RAHEEM
Allahumma Salli ala nabi Muhammed
Aoodthu billahi min ash shaytaan ir-rajeem
As-salaamu laykum wa-rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Dear Freemocy and Morocco;

I made a error my preceding response. It is that the women gain greater custody of the children after divorce which necessarily gains her the house if she gets custody of the children but gaining the house DOES NOT gain one the posessions in the house or of the assets from and during marriage.

And Allah (soubhanna wa taa'la knows best)

Soubhaana Allah,
Sheikh Ieesau Ibn Mhamed

[freemocy]

Divorced Moroccan women gain everything nowadays including
men ..

[CarlEdwardRoss]

Bismillah ir-rahmaan ir-raheem
Alluhumma salli ala Sayidna Muhammed wa ala ali Sayidna Muhammed
As-salaamulaykum

Dear Freeemocy;

I am reading an article from the BBC-web that divorced women from Morocoo were saying that they get more men wanting to marry them and that men feel that they are more alluring now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3532612.stm

When ever you just get out of a relationship in the beginning it feels like everyone wants you but after a while you see the line get smaller. When you already have a spouse it seems everyone want you now and whether you have a spouse or not it seems all the good ones have a spouse until you find a good one who is single like yourself.

Soubhanna Allah wa bihamdihi;

Sheikh Ieesau Ibn Mhamed

Here is an excerpt from the King's speech concerning divorcing:

Equal Divorce Rights for Men and Women
6- "Make divorce, defined as the dissolution of marriage, a prerogative that can be exercised as much by
the husband as by the wife, in accordance with legal conditions set for each party, and under judicial
supervision. Thus, the husband's right to resort to repudiation shall be limited by specific restrictions and
conditions designed to avoid misuse of this right. In this connection, the Prophet (pbuH) is quoted as
saying: 'The most hateful to God, of all lawful things, is divorce.'
"For this purpose, mechanisms for reconciliation and mediation, through the family and the judge, shall
be strengthened.
"Divorce is the prerogative of the husband; the wife may also avail herself of this prerogative by using the
right of option (Tamleek).
"Whatever the case, and before the divorce is authorized, it shall be ascertained that the divorced woman
gets all the rights to which she is entitled.
"A new procedure for divorce has been established, requiring the court's prior authorization. Divorce
cannot be duly registered until all monies owed to the wife and children have been paid in full by the
husband. Verbal repudiation, in exceptional cases, shall not be considered valid.
7- "Expand the woman's right to file for divorce if the husband fails to observe any of the conditions in
the marriage contract, or if he harms his wife through lack of financial support, abstinence, violence, or
any other wrongful deed. This provision is in line with the general legal principle which advocates balance
and moderation. Its aim is to promote equality and fairness between husband and wife.
"A provision has also been introduced allowing divorce by mutual consent, under judicial supervision."

[CarlEdwardRoss]

As-salaamu laykum wa-rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu;
Allahumma Salli ala nabi Muhammed wa lal ali nabi Muhammed

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 7:
Narrated Said bin Jubair:
Ibn 'Abbas asked me, "Are you married?" I replied, "No." He said, "Marry, for the best person of this (Muslim) nation (i.e., Muhammad) of all other Muslims, had the largest number of wives."
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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 8:
Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:
The Prophet said, "The rewards (of deeds) are according to the intention, and everybody will get the reward for what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for Allah's and His Apostle's sake, his emigration was for Allah and His Apostle; and whoever emigrated for worldly benefits, or to marry a woman, then his emigration was for the thing for what he emigrated for." (1)

Dear Morocco.com;

I do not know why every women’s group or people in general use the following verse of the Noble Quran to reason banning polygamy/polgeny. I quote the Quran:

Bismillah ir-rahmaan ir-rajeem
Aoodthu billahi min ash shaytaan ir-rajeem
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YUSUFALI: Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The second sentence in the verse is enough to dispel the idea that having more than one wife is not lawful but many still insist that this means only one wife for the Muslim man. The only condition to polygamy is that the man must be just. No man can PERFECTLY just because only Allah(soubhanna wa taa’la) is the absolute perfect and just in this world. I quote:

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YUSUFALI: And thou wilt see the angels surrounding the Throne (Divine) on all sides, singing Glory and Praise to their Lord. The Decision between them (at Judgment) will be in (perfect) justice, and the cry (on all sides) will be, "Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
PICKTHAL: And thou (O Muhammad) seest the angels thronging round the Throne, hymning the praises of their Lord. And they are judged aright. And it is said: Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!
SHAKIR: And you shall see the angels going round about the throne glorifying the praise of their Lord; and judgment shall be given between them with justice, and it shall be said: All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

This is the why the Muslim man is not able to be Perfectly just and also because:

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YUSUFALI: It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.
PICKTHAL: Lo! thou (O Muhammad) guidest not whom thou lovest, but Allah guideth whom He will. And He is Best Aware of those who walk aright.
SHAKIR: Surely you cannot guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He pleases, and He knows best the followers of the right way.

Allah (soubhanna wa taa’la) says that we have not control over whom we love, so how can you deal perfectly and justly between wives. You can not this is the meaning of verses. Some will take this to mean no polygamy but we know that the Quran is perfect, without crookedness and mentions MANY times speaking to one man as to him having more than one wife for one example:

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YUSUFALI: YOUR WIVES are as a tilth unto YOU; so approach your tilth when or how YE will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that YE are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe.
PICKTHAL: YOUR WOMEN are a tilth for YOU (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).
SHAKIR: YOUR WIVES are a tilth for YOU, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

I cannot believe that the MOST HOLY BOOK in this world can allow and disallow a thing at the same time. It has to be one or the other otherwise this is crookedness. Therefore polygamy is lawful and the only thing to fear is Allah (soubhanna wa taa’la) not treating wives perfectly just.

Soubhanna Allah wa bihamdika,
Sheikh Ieesau Ibn Mhamed

[Ahlam_2005]

Originally posted by maroc88

"Ahlam_2005" (or previously alham) here , is a 32 year old Indian Hindu guy who seems to hate arab men and has a perversion for Moroccan women. If Hindu india is so great for women, he needs to go to India and stop the bride burning and rapes in India before taking the case of Muslim women in marocco.

Here is a pervious gem from 'Ahlam_2005':

http://www.morocco.com/forums/showth...threadid=21906

I guess this Indian Hindu really wants Moroccan nationality? or maybe he is the product of a Hindu father and a Moroccan prostitute?


Carl is a Muslim and has done nothig more than quote from the Quran.

I dont hate arab men but hate only wot they do to women in the name of religion.I have a moroccon wife and am happy with her and dont intend to chase any other moroccon women.
I agree we have pains in indian society too and belie me i speak in the same manner here aswell.But here the women r not torutred in name of religion and in big cities educated women know tier rights and fight for them and get justice.
When i visit morocco it pains me to see the plight of women at the hands of thier men.
marriage at 16 divrce n baby at 19.finally they end up in bars or caes to sell themselves.

I just want a better society in india or morocco or egypt and equality for both sexes.The mind frame of men in so bad that everytime i have to show my marriage certificate or else they think that a moroccon wman with a foregner means she is not of good character.I have changd to muslim for my wife and the airport authorities at casablanca were so cooperative when they came to know of this fact.

[micael]

i feel sorry for your wife, and your child.. make sure your wife and child retains islam as their core belief....and do NOT ever try to change them to your faith!

did you change your religion just to please authorities or for the genuine passion for islam? are you still a muslim? you do realise that a muslim woman cannot marry a man of the book, christian or jew, but a mushrikeen is totally out of the question even for a muslim man!