Forgiveness in the Bible and the Koran

[Theja]

I keep bringing up Muhammad because he is the founder of Islam. In your confession you have to include 'and Muhammad is his prophet' clause.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Torah.

As for Islam you observe Friday and eating Camel meat is allowed which was haram according to the Torah. Islam is sort of a pick and choose religion, borrowing ideas from the Bible, Judaism and Christianity.

The main point is: The Bible was complete before Islam was conceived, and Christianity was flourishing before Islam came to argue with its doctrines.

[rocam]

Originally posted by Theja
I keep bringing up Muhammad because he is the founder of Islam. In your confession you have to include 'and Muhammad is his prophet' clause.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the Torah.

He is not the founder of Islam; he is a prophet who received the message from God just like Jesus and Moses did. Again you believe that Jesus fulfilled the Torah based on your Christian beliefs. If the Jews are still holding on to their religion it’s probably because they do not see things the same way you do.

As for Islam you observe Friday and eating Camel meat is allowed which was haram according to the Torah. Islam is sort of a pick and choose religion, borrowing ideas from the Bible, Judaism and Christianity.

So was pork yet you guys eat it. Speaking about the 10 commandments when it suits you and reject the violent passages of the old testament when it doesn’t. If there’s a pick and choose religion it is yours for our message is clear and direct.

The main point is: The Bible was complete before Islam was conceived, and Christianity was flourishing before Islam came to argue with its doctrines.

Same with some of the oldest religions in the world. Does that make them true religion from God?? I told you already that this point alone is not valid.

[Theja]

That's the problem with Islam. Having borrowed from the Bible, and deviated from it, you have to keep arguing to make Islam relevant --- endless source of confusion for Muslims and the uninformed.

(borrowing: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/borrowing.htm)

Also Muslims have to look backward through the eyes of Muhammad to keep their religion valid. In reality, as the Bible has already been completed before the birth of Muhammad, the verdict of the Bible is not favorable to him -- all he has is "claims".

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All religions outside the Bible are manmade theories, ancient or modern. Only the Bible records the "self-revelation" of God and His ways.

That is why any religion feeding on the Bible but representing it erroneously are considered "CULT". In this sense, Islam is a "CULT", but because it has such a huge following, we simply give it the status of another religion.

[rocam]

You just keep on repeating the same idea over and over. If Muhammad invented the Koran he would have put more emphasis on himself. He wouldn’t even have bothered mentioning the other prophets of God; he could have even discredited anything they accomplished. He could have even invented another deity. He didn’t do any of that. You call it borrowing when it’s in fact the continuation. The New Testament differs in some aspects from the Old Testament because the world changed and what was acceptable then became unsuitable at the time it was revealed, and the same thing applies to the New Testament and the Koran. You can accept the former and reject the latter.


“We simply give it the status of another religion”? Last time I checked Christians roughly represent 33% of the world’s population and that percentage includes all the other Christian denominations you like to call cult. That leaves your denomination with a much lower number than Islam. So restrain from using the “we” in the future because that sounds a bit too presumptuous from someone who ‘tries’ to pass as a ‘humble servant of God’.

[Theja]

Any faith that borrows from the Bible and deviates from it is a CULT regardless of size.

While other 'cults' consider themself Christian, Islam does not. That is the reason it is considered a different religion. Otherwise both cults and Islam borrows ideas from the Bible.

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Shirk: Sura 24:52, 54, 56.

Selfishness: Sura 66:5 (very clever).

Self defense: Sura 33:37 (lifestyle).

Do as I say, not do as I do.

[rocam]

You come here with a set idea about Islam. You are not here to have a dialogue, you just wish that we will eventually see Islam the way you do. But most of us here know what our religion stands for and are comfortable with its teachings. You unfortunately do not want to hear our side of the story because you are not ready to listen.

Surah 2:6 [i]As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

[Theja]

Because I know my foundation is true and secure (2 Timothy 2:19). All other grounds are sinking sand (Matthew 7:24-27).