Jonah, the marathon runner.

[rocam]

Originally posted by Theja
From then on, little by little, Europe moved on and left behind the Islamic world in progress and development --- such that today, most Muslims wish to migrate to the West or join the West, as is the case of Turkey at this time. NOW THE MUSLIMS IN THE WEST ENJOY FREEDOM AND SPEAK FREELY WHILE TO THIS DAY ISLAM DOMINATED SOCIETIES ARE VERY DANGEROUS PLACES FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO LEAVE ISLAM.

You forgot an important point. Shortly after, those same ‘enlightened’ and ‘peace loving’ Christians colonized numerous countries (not that it never happened before that) Freedom in the Bible?? Who are you kidding??

If Christian countries are so prosperous as opposed to Muslim ones, why did a Christian like you pray so hard to acquire the American papers you were initially denied?

The question you always choose to ignore hehehe

[Theja]

You are right. There are many elements in the colonisation that was deplorable. But remember God used the Assyrians to discipline the Northern Kingdom Israel (722 BC), and Babylon to discipline Judah (586 BC). Moving nations.

So the sovereign God was able to use the colonial period to bring ideas and mankind together on a faster pace, partly because of which the English language spread far and wide and today we are able to exchange opinions and ideas in the English language.

Christianity was not responsible for colonisation, but Christianity took advantage of the time and spread around the world.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations [ethne, all ethnic groups], and then the end will come" (Matthew 24:14).

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Even though the Roman empire at certain times persecuted Christians, the latter was able to take advantage of the Pax Romana (Roman Peace) and spread the gospel throughout the empire --- that is the reason Europe adopted Christianity as its religion, though it underwent many trials and errors.

[Hattushil]

[quote]Originally posted by Theja
[b] You are right. There are many elements in the colonisation that was deplorable. But remember God used the Assyrians to discipline the Northern Kingdom Israel (722 BC), and Babylon to discipline Judah (586 BC). Moving nations.

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So, God used the Turks to discipline Europe in the past....

Therefore, say thanks to grand Turk for disciplining Europe, as much as you expect those colonized nations to say thanks to their Christian colonizers for disciplinization....


Oh, Theja, Theja.....

[Theja]

I'm not sure if I should thank the Turks for that, because even if man has lower motives, God can time His judgments to bring situations for the general good of mankind.

And yes, indirectly the Turks were responsible for saving Luther's life.

Germany was ruled by several princes under one Emperor. The Emperor had intention to put Luther to the stake, but at the moment he cannot afford to displease some princes who were in favor of Luther. The reason was that the Emperor needed a untited Kingdom to face the threat of a full-scale Turkish invasion (which was looming like a cloud about to rain), and secondarily, he was playing politics to have better control of Italy by overriding the authority of the Pope.

Although his conviction was staunchly Catholic and he intended to eliminate Luther for defying his order, the Emperor bidded for time for the above reasons. But it turned out, he was outsmarted by Luther and his friends and sympathisers and the genie couldn't be returned into the bottle.

[-thetruth_]

Originally posted by Theja
You are right. There are many elements in the colonisation that was deplorable. But remember God used the Assyrians to discipline the Northern Kingdom Israel (722 BC), and Babylon to discipline Judah (586 BC). Moving nations.

So the sovereign God was able to use the colonial period to bring ideas and mankind together on a faster pace, partly because of which the English language spread far and wide and today we are able to exchange opinions and ideas in the English language.

Christianity was not responsible for colonisation, but Christianity took advantage of the time and spread around the world.

"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations [ethne, all ethnic groups], and then the end will come" (Matthew 24:14).

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Even though the Roman empire at certain times persecuted Christians, the latter was able to take advantage of the Pax Romana (Roman Peace) and spread the gospel throughout the empire --- that is the reason Europe adopted Christianity as its religion, though it underwent many trials and errors.

Stop speaking on behalf of God you are commiting a grave sin
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God does not wrong people. it is people who wrong themselves(Quran)
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[Theja]

What a silly advice is that? Maybe you are afraid honest Muslims might discover some unpalatable elements and begin to question M and the Koran as a result of discussion points I bring.

Get out of religious superstition!