SALAAM! Why and how christians went astray BECAUSE OF ("apostle") PAUL:

[Abdu-Rahman]

This is from my book in:

http://www.geocities.com/science_in_quran/muslim.html

http://www.geocities.com/science_in_quran/Muslims.html

http://www.geocities.com/science_in_quran/muslims.html

View first this amazing picture fitted to prophecy of prophet Jesus, only Allah could have done this:

http://www.geocities.com/science_in_koran/cover1

Matt.24:23. At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24. For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform great SIGNS and MIRACLES to deceive even the elect (disciplines) - if that were possible. 25. See, I have told you ahead of time. 26. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' ("revelation" on road to Damascus) do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' ("revelation" in prison) do not believe it.....28.Wherever the corpse is (new religion), there the vultures will gather.

2.Corinth.12:12. When I was with you, I certainly gave you every proof that I am truly an apostle, sent to you by God himself. For I patiently did many SIGNS and wonders and MIRACLES among you.

From Dead Sea scrolls of Qumran, it can be clearly seen that deut.32:8 declared that Jews were not only nation to have prophets, as Christians and Jews claim, but that ”sons of God” have been given to numerous nations as Islam teaches. This is how this part went in Greek text:

"When the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of (Qumran: ”sons of God”) angelic beings."

As in Dead Sea Scrolls, which read of the sons of God, and Greek version, which reads of the angels of god. Can word of God have so great conflict in matter so important, dividing religions?

(Prophecies of Jesus and warning about "apostle" Paul as whole in the end)

Problem really is in interpretations and understanding past times. Old Testament (Jewish) Bible is full of "sons of God" (son written with big first letter is Greek invention, as Hebrew does not have small or big letters), and so is called almost all prophets in Bible, even Adam (who had not even mother according to Bible, Koran does not deny even that he had mother/father, see beginning of astronomy/human development links).

Thing is that it is FIGURE OF SPEECH for Jews, words describing someone very important for God (even Jesus himself answered accusations about using word "son of God" that "doesn’t your writings say, they were gods?"). Adam, Jacob, Saul, David, Salomon, Jesus.... and many others, enough examples? Just write "son of god" into search engine on some Bible-site and you see. Jews understood that, as according to acts of apostles Jews allowed Christians to use synagogues even though they knew how Jesus was called, as Jews themselves have had prophets who were accepted by many other Jews but not by all. Jews never would have let Christians to worship Jesus as god in synagogue, so that is proof that early Christians thought him only as prophet. In fact EVERYTHING is figure of speech, as speech has only meanings that has been given for it. That is why in Islam Allah has 99 extra-names. He just shows that He makes us to call Him as He wishes. Jesus called Allah as "Father" because he wanted to make distinction between Jewish names of God and coming of Islam, to reduce conflicts on that.
But situation changed:

As Paul had permission from apostles to teach pagans (Jesus himself said in evangeliums that "I have not been sent but for lost sheep’s of house of Israel", and in the end mission-order meant "nations" of Israel, as there had been 13 of them), and had permission not to "bother" them by Torah or law, most pagan-Christians did not understand correctly "son of God"-term. After Jewish Christianity was almost totally wiped out by Romans in destruction of Jerusalem, pagan-Christians did came as dominant sect of Christianity and modern churches are based on their beliefs.

Paul tried to kill ALL Christians, he had army for that, but noticed that Christians just flew to other towns ("turn other cheek") and spread their message. So he understood that only possibility is to destroy threat to Judaism from inside, spreading twisted form of faith to large areas until it overcomes rest. He even send Ananias ("new Christian" in Bible) before him to confirm his "revelations" to another Christians. That is evil. Of course that was will of Allah too, but there is a time-limit until full responsibility is over People of the Book, that separates them from pagans who are not judged only if they are "people without knowledge (about Islam)", and have not be introduced to Islam (as it is almost everywhere in Asia and Africa).

Until (late) 20th century Koran was not even translated to most European languages, and there were only few Muslims in Europe. In Asia Islam has been for thousand years everywhere (33% population Muslims), but in China and Vietnam/Laos communism and relatively small/local Muslim-populations postpone knowledge about Islam and so full judgment on "pagans", in Africa (50% Muslims) nearly only rainforest and southern areas were animistic (now Christian) where Islam had not arrived. So in fact pagans have either knew about Islam, accept it or not, or not knew about it. Christians have always KNEW ABOUT ISLAM as it has been their rivalry and very close to them, but they have NOT KNOWN what ISLAM IS ABOUT (for People of the Book this matches same as total lack of knowledge for pagan).

When that time is up, and knowledge of Islam has come for everyone (like in internet), no Christian has no excuse why they did not learn about Islam, then curse of Paul has its full affect, and many are going to hell because of him. On the other hand, Jesus told about shepherd who got that one lost sheep out of hundred back to safety in desert/mountain (depends on evangelium, both describe very well dominative natural conditions in Muslim-countries), that represents those few chosen one’s from Christians who through Bible understood that Islam is right religion (like me), and possibly move to Islamic country in safety (no need anymore for that in secularism, but in middle ages definitely, if pagans had ruled in Europe/America/Africa, then not one had got alive into Muslim-world).

As you see, Christians can be accepting Islam through Bible, even if they thought that it is corrupted, if given good and accurate enough explanations and descriptions. In this case of beginning of my writing, proofs against Paul as evil who messed Christianity is important. (26)

[Abdu-Rahman]

You can go directly at this link by:

http://www.geocities.com/bible_and_paul/islam.html

[Abdu-Rahman]

Remember that person talking in Matt.24:23-28 is prophet Jesus, and in 2.Corinth.12:12 Paul. See how Jesus used same words to describe actions of coming fallse prophets than Paul used about his actions.

[Theja]

Too gross!

You need massive re-education to develop your mind to prevent stitching verses to promote errors.

[Theja]

I knew you would try to stand up for these guys... nice rescue effort....

or, do you endorse his views here?

[Theja]

Actually it is people from other religions who have the freedom to practice their faith and say what they want to say in the midst of heavily Christian societies. But Christians are the most persecuted people around the world --- we are persecuted by Hindus, Muslims, animist, atheist, humanists, etc. Yet people from all these groups can live unmolested in the midst of Christians.

In Saudi Arabia one is not even allowed to own a Bible, or worship with other believers in one's own private apartment.

But I can understand your bias and your half-truths to promote your own agenda.

[voltaires_priest]

If you both don't desist then I shall have to beat you both senseless with a spring-loaded sponge truncheon.

Not a pretty sight, I assure you



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