The concept of God in Islam.

[One-Truth]

Theja,
Still waiting for your answer.

[Theja]

What's your problem? Jesus grew up in the nurture of his mother, just like other babies.

Motherhood is God's idea, and there absolutely is nothing wrong to be nurtured by the mother.

Muslim's idea of God is so remote that God has become theoretical for them.

[Hattushil]

Originally posted by Theja
How can you be so blind?

Hundreds of years before Muhammad was born, the Bible was already established. Muhammad came quoting the Bible and retelling the stories of biblical characters such as Noah, Abraham, David, Jonah, etc,etc.

Prophet Mohammed was an illiterate....

The reason of the similarities may not be, by change, because Christianity and Islam revealed by the same source called "God" ?

[Theja]

The marriage ceremony between Muhammad and Khadijah were presided by an Ebionite Priest (a cult that denies the divinity of Christ).

So long as this priest and Khadijah were alive, Muhammad had only one wife. From them he heard some Bible stories, often mixed with Jewish myths surrounding the Torah and Bible characters.

Muhammad also would travel to Syria for business and had plenty of opportunities to hear the stories of Jesus and Christians from the Syrians.

Muhammad may be illiterate, but he possessed native intelligence and a quick wit.

So yes, the many similarities comes from his hearing from people he came across. In which case, to determine the accuracy of certain facts, one must go to the primary source (Bible) and not depend on hearsay (secondary source, which Muhammad heard).

[Hattushil]

Originally posted by Theja The marriage ceremony between Muhammad and Khadijah were presided by an Ebionite Priest (a cult that denies the divinity of Christ).

So long as this priest and Khadijah were alive, Muhammad had only one wife. From them he heard some Bible stories, often mixed with Jewish myths surrounding the Torah and Bible characters.

Muhammad also would travel to Syria for business and had plenty of opportunities to hear the stories of Jesus and Christians from the Syrians.

Muhammad may be illiterate, but he possessed native intelligence and a quick wit.

Beyond your ignorance about the structure of Quran, if you had a little knowledge about Arabic language and literary power of Quran, you would realise that it is ridiculous even to claim that Quran is written by a humanbeing, let alone to be written by an illiterate person....

"In making the present attempt to improve on the performance of my predecessors, and to produce something which might be accepted as echoing however faintly the sublime rhetoric of the Arabic Koran, I have been at pains to study the intricate and richly varied rhythms which - apart from the message itself - constitute the Koran's undeniable claim to rank amongst the greatest literary masterpieces of mankind... This very characteristic feature - 'that inimitable symphony,' as the believing Pickthall described his Holy Book, 'the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasy' - has been almost totally ignored by previous translators; it is therefore not surprising that what they have wrought sounds dull and flat indeed in comparison with the splendidly decorated original." --Arthur J. Arberry, THE KORAN INTERPRETED, London: Oxford University Press, 1964, p. x.


I can show you hundereds of similar statements of the scholars who made researches about Quran like the one above....But no need to go so far, allmighty God clearly challenges against such attempts like yours in his book 1400 years ago,

And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.---chapter:2, verse: 23


And dear Theja, non of humanbeing could answer this challenge for 1400 years.... Of course, you may wish to try your chance....

But i would like to draw your attention to the result of such attempts as mentioned below,

"Well then, if the Koran were his own [Muhammad's] composition other men could rival it. Let them produce ten verses like it. If they could not (and it is obvious that they could not), then let them accept the Koran as an outstanding evidential miracle"

Mohammedanism, H. A. R. Gibb, Oxford University Press, p. 42


"From the literary point of view, the Koran is regarded as a specimen of purest Arabic, written in half poetry, half prose. It has been said that in some cases grammarians have adopted their rules to agree with certain expressions used in it, and though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far as elegant writing is concerned, none yet has succeeded"

Glimpses of the Noble Qur'an, Muhammad Azizullah, Crescent Publications, pp. 104-105

So yes, the many similarities comes from his hearing from people he came across. In which case, to determine the accuracy of certain facts, one must go to the primary source (Bible) and not depend on hearsay (secondary source, which Muhammad heard).

To be honest, i would rather prefer to refer such a book (Quran) as described above in lieu of a book (any version of Bible) which had thousands of versions contradicting eachother before it was reduced to 4 versions...It is clearly proven that the Bible is re-written by many authors after revelation and contains human distortions inside....I never wish to breake your feelings theja but any version of the current Bibles is not any serious than a story book about the past for me, it is not a primary source anymore considering the changes made in its contents....

[Theja]

In my reading the Koran, I find many passages incoherent and vague. It contains both biblical and historical errors. Also Muhammad tried to insert theological arguments against Jews and Christians.

Arab scholars have found grammatical errors and foreing words in the Koran.

I wonder why Muslims fear to mention the many contradictory verses that Uthman burnt, before producing the so-called one and only single version of the Koran.

[Hattushil]

Originally posted by Theja
[b] In my reading the Koran, I find many passages incoherent and vague.

I don't think you have ever read the Quran in Arabic...So, it is impossible for you to bring any opinion about its literary power unless you take the risk of being a joke here.... Hence, you have to be contended with the outcome of the serious Quran researchers regarding the issue....

By the way, i again keep silence about the "incoherent and vauge" passages in bible for time being, if you have the heart to talk about them, we can start a discussion regarding the matter...

It contains both biblical and historical errors.

Who says that the content of Bible is correct in the first place? Did not we agree at the beginning that Bible had hundereds of authors.?...

If your start point is Bible and your argument is gonna depend on the correctness of the Bible, i have a news for you, you are doomed to lose the debate...

Also Muhammad tried to insert theological arguments against Jews and Christians.

Explain please, i will be very happy to beat you in this issue...

Arab scholars have found grammatical errors and foreing words in the Koran.

Which scholars are you talking about? Couple of ignorant, hypocrite and bigot priests?

And which gramatical errors are you talking about? Explain....

I wonder why Muslims fear to mention the many contradictory verses that Uthman burnt, before producing the so-called one and only single version of the Koran.

No one fears about the activity of khalifa Uthman to collect all Quranic verses in a single binding with the accompany of all other disciples of the Prophet Muhammed...This happened in front of the Muslim community and all the disciples of the Prophet Muhammed took place in that activity....You are trying to catch a fish but you have no clue how the originality of Quran is guaranteed since first day of the revelation unlike Bible....There was a very strong procedure of writing Quranic verses during the revelation, there were people assigned for this duty....