'ISLAMIC HATE' EYED IN SLAYS

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

The above quotes and others can be found in the book by
Hermann Rauschning's "Hitler Speaks"
(Published by Thornton Butterworth, London, 1939).

The above stats are from this website:
http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population
And here:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsa.htm

[moroccanchica]

DV, I checked out the sources, and they seem legit to me! this is very shocking !?!?!?!?!?

[safar]

Originally posted by _DigitaLVampirE_
[b]Quran 47:4
Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/47.htm

Ofcourse the above versed in the Quran is when engaged in war against those who are out to kill Muslims. There are other verses in the Quran which tells one to stop fighting when the disbelievers ".. incline towards peace. "

Similarly you have verses like these in the Bible which seem to be far more extreme, I would assume the context for these verses is also in case of a war?

. “And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones . . . shalt thou take unto thyself . . . But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth”(Deuteronomy 20:13-16).

From DV's New York Post story:

...The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross....

However in New York Times we have the following:

...but they [authorities] dismissed newspaper accounts that a tattoo of a cross on Sylvia's wrist had been slashed in the killing....

...Though all four members of the family had tattoos of a cross on their wrists or arms, a Coptic Christian tradition, none of the crosses were slashed, said Gaetano T. Gregory, a prosecutor with the Hudson County prosecutor's office....

from DV's New York Post story:

...Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.
"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything." ...

From New York Times:

...law enforcement officials said yesterday that money had been stolen from the house: Mr. Armanious' pockets had been turned out and his wallet was empty. "There was no cash in the house," Mr. Gregory said. "All that was left was a penny."...

Also from NY Times:

The Armanious murders have made global news, eliciting condolences from around the Middle East. The leader of Coptic Christians, Pope Shenouda III, called from Egypt when he heard about the case, said Bishop David, who presides over the Coptic churches of the Northeast. Bishop David, who in keeping with religious tradition does not use a second name, visited the Bergen Avenue church yesterday and told congregants not to jump to conclusions about the slayings. He said several Muslim leaders had called him with condolences.

"Everything we can do to make peace we will do," Bishop David said after the memorial service, flanked by reporters and church members as he stood on the sidewalk. "I cannot make speculations. This is the job of the police."

Several Muslim leaders in the area plan to attend the family's funeral today, which will begin at 10 a.m. with a procession of the four coffins from Journal Square to a service at a community center four blocks away that is affiliated with St. George and St. Shenouda Church. Police officers began planning yesterday for the procession, which the church expects will draw thousands.

Some Muslim leaders expressed fear that the murders would create divisions among Arab immigrants.

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

But here's another link which relates the story in an almost similar fashion from the New York Post:

Services for 47-year-old Hossam Armanious, his 37-year-old wife, Amal Garas, and their two daughters were being held at the St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church, a Christian congregation where the family was active.

As the procession of about 300 people made its way on foot through city streets to the church, Iman Garas, sister of the slain mother, ran up and pounded on each of the four caskets, screaming, "Oh my God. Oh my God. They've left me all alone."

The family immigrated to the United States in 1997 from Egypt, where Coptic Christians generally live in peace with Muslims. But tensions between the religions there have flared and become violent in recent years.

After revelations over the weekend that Hossam Armanious was active on an Internet chat site devoted to Coptic Christianity, Monir Dowoud, president of the American Coptic Association, told 200 people outside the family's church on Sunday that "Muslim terrorists" were responsible.

Local authorities downplayed the religious link and the regional head of the Coptic church cautioned against a rush to judgment. But friends of the slain family said Hossam Armanious received death threats two months ago after writing what were perceived as insults to Islam.

During the processional Monday, mourners held placards and pushed and shoved. Some shouted anti-Muslim slogans. One man ran alongside the procession screaming, "Islam is not a religion. Islam is not a religion."

Authorities had not announced any arrests in the slayings as of Monday morning; a call to the prosecutor's office later in the morning was not returned.

Police have said that there were no signs of forced entry at the home, where the four bodies were found bound and gagged early Friday. Authorities said robbery remained a possible motive because no cash or jewelry were found in the home. Guy Gregory, first assistant Hudson County prosecutor, said the wallet of Hossam Armanious was found empty.

Officials and relatives have said that the family reported a burglary last year during which jewelry was stolen.

Autopsies showed the victims bled to death from puncture wounds to their heads, necks and bodies.

Over the weekend, relatives in Egypt gathered to mourn the family, which had immigrated to the United States in 1997.

In a funeral tent raised in downtown Luxor, Egypt, on Sunday, Armanious' elder brother Talaat said he was bewildered by the killings.

"Why would anyone do that to him?" Talaat Armanious said. "We want revenge. We want an extensive investigation to find out what really happened."

Copts generally live in peace with Muslims, but it is a sometimes uneasy relationship in which sectarian tensions can erupt. In 2000, the deadliest Christian-Muslim clashes in years killed 23 people, all but two of them Copts, touched off by an argument between a Coptic merchant and a Muslim shopper, also in southern Egypt.

Last month, thousands of angry Copts protested for days at a Cairo cathedral when rumors circulated that a Coptic Christian woman had been forced to convert to Islam. Days of protests and stone-throwing at the cathedral in Abbasiya, Cairo, left two dozen police injured and 34 Copts detained.

In 2002, brawls broke out in a southern Egyptian village after an argument over whether a Coptic church's bells tolled too loudly. During an Islamic insurrection in Egypt in the early 1990s, Copts were occasionally attacked by Muslim militants.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/4087874/detail.html

I guess the truth will never be known until the murderers are caught. Besides, i think we can both agree the media can be rather obscure sometimes.

[rocam]

Originally posted by _DigitaLVampirE_

Tihad, though the Ayyat was meant during the troubled times described in the Qur'an, it is common knowledge people in Syria, Lebanon and other M.E countries use the verse to justify ritual killing. It has even happened in the UK.[/b]

It seems that there is still no confirmation that the murderer is Muslim, but let us assume he is. Do you have any proof that he based his crime on the Surah you posted above or was that just a personal theory??

I have personally never heard of these Syrian and Lebanese ritual killings you are referring to, please share some examples.

I don’t understand why you think you can come here and expect us to justify and explain certain Muslims’ actions. In Islam each Muslim is responsible for his actions in front of Allah. No one can carry someone else’s burden and that is precisely why Muslims don’t believe in the Christian concept of salvation.

[_thetruth]

I wonder what your aim is for posting a verse from the Quran ?and wondering whether it asks us to wage a war?.
let me tell you something there are many people who specialise in religious studies and go completelly undetected in order to slander Islam. Just because you happent to exchange views on line does not give you the right to Question Islam this way.
It's always hatred against the Muslims no matter what happens
here is the type of news that I fell really sick about.
DV you happen to join the ignorants by authomatically accuse muslims without facts.
A white man caught raping a woman(no indication what his religion is?)
Today a muslim wearing a Jelaba was arrested after being suspected of a rape

Let me post what the old book says about Killings?.
What is your answer to that?

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After the conquest of Jericho: They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys (Jos.6:21)...
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At Jericho, Israel is warned that if she does not practice herem, she herself will be herem -- under God's judgment (Jos.6:18)!
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The Book of Joshua mentions 31 kings defeated in bloody battles (Jos.12:24)... and after every battle, the city and everyone in it he put to the sword, as ordered by the Lord (8:22, 10:28,29,32,36,38, 11;11,12,17,20)...
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Moses gave the Israelites specific instructions on how they were to wage Yahweh's wars:

1- The priest initiated any war by reminding the Israelites that Yahweh fights for them. This clearly shows the war's sacred character (Deut.20:2-4) -- that is, this is God's war. He fights through His people.

2- Cities outside the land of Palestine do not need to be entirely destroyed, but attacks on cities inside the land require destruction of all life (Deut.20:10-18). This practice is known as the "ban" or "herem" or "the law of anathema". To put a city under the ban was to devote its occupants to Yahweh for destruction. It is often translated "completely destroyed" or "devoted":
- In the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshipping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God. (Deut.20:16-18).
- When the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally (according to the law of anathema). Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy. (Deut.7:2-5, 2:34, Num.25:1-5, 31:14-17, Ex.23:33, Joshua 6:17, 8:26).

3- They are specifically to show no pity to inhabitants of the land (Deut.7:1-2). God believes they will not want to fully carry out His directions, so He warns the Israelites against pity!

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When Israel is sent into the land of Palestine to destroy the Canaanite nations, the nation is like a child sent to get his own paddle. Israel is being graphically taught its need to obey Yahweh, who indeed is the God of the whole earth. And God takes His duties seriously! Israel is warned that failure to remove this cancer of wickedness would eventually bring her own infection with sin and hence, their own judgment (Deut.7:1-6, 20:18).
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And God is not partial!.. He will treat the people of Israel in exactly the same way:
"God said to the Israelites, 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.'" (Lev.18:24-28).
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[LalaMimi]

Just after I posted last night, I logged into Paltalk and lo and behold, there was a room dedicated to this tragic event and it was full of vehement opinions against Islam and Muslims (there was over 100 people in the room).. I did take the mic, but was bounced (as in booted from the room) before I could finish what I was trying to put across.. what I said was along these lines: that we don't actually know what happened or who did it, I questioned how anyone can get hold of the mans true identity, his address and I stated he must have been stupid had he actually given such information to anyone. I also mentioned that I did not believe that his active presence on Paltalk, was the most significant thing he had done, for so many to suspect that such was the reason for him and his family to get brutally murdered... obviously this was too much for the admin in the room... I thought I was being rather reasonable, as compared to those who were saying that Muslims worshiped a moon god, demon, that Mohammed was demon possessed and Islam has to go and I'm putting that mildly..

Anyhow, Paltalk is full of anti this and that rooms, the most popular rooms, esp in the social issues section are dedicated to trying to espouse of the eradication of Islam.... and Coptic Christians are the pillars of such rooms... and are held in high esteem, because they can read Arabic and like to show off their knowledge of the Qur'an and Hadiths... some even showing off as in reading such, while a tape is playing in the back round of animal noises.

Paltalk is full of crap, a lot is said, an enormous amount of threats and insults are exchanged on there.. The Moroccan rooms are atrocious, when it comes to such... and there are plenty of heated discussions, because everyone has an opinion and there are many people who take themselves and what is said on there far too seriously.. I hope that this tragic event is not a consequence of what is said in Paltalk.. even though it should not have happened in any case.