Was Jesus crucified on a tree (according to Peter), cross (according to others)???

[mulood]

Salam All.

Peter's account: Jesus was crucified on a tree according to the books of "Acts" and "1 Peter".

Acts 5
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 10
38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:

40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Acts 13
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.

29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

30 But God raised him from the dead:

1 Peter 2
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.


Others' accounts: Jesus was crucified on the cross.

Matthew 27
39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

Matthew 27
41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

Mark 15
29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,

30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

Mark 15
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Luke 23
25 And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, whom they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will.

26 And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

Did it happen on the cross, or did it happen on a tree?

Kind Regards.............

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

answering-christianity.com is quite a favourite site for Muslim proselytizers i heard.

Anyway, the accounts of Jesus being crucified on a tree isn't just found in the 1 Peter or the Book of Acts alone. In fact in the days of the Old Testament, tradition had always held the belief that if a man were hung on a tree it was meant as a special mark of the curse of God.

"If a man guilty of a capital offense is put to death and his body is hung on a tree..."
Deuteronomy 21:22

Then we see this repeated again in the New Testament:

"For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them."

Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"]), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith".
Galatians 3:10-14

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”
Galatians 3:13

So, what Saint Peter was actually trying to say was in effect; "Not only did you kill the Messiah, but you also hung Him on a tree and marked out as an object of the special curse of God.
You humiliated and debased Him to the lowest degree allowed under the law".

Hope this helps clarify the confusion.
Reading the Bible with a clear, open mind also helps.

Regards,
DV

[Theja]

A cross is made of trees.

Jesus was hung on a tree.

Jesus was crucified on a cross.

One less specific, the other more specific. Both reporting the same incident.

NO CONTRADICTION.

_______________________________

This morning I went to a church in Pasadena to worship.

This morning I went to Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena to worship.

One less specific, the other more specific. Both discusses the same incident. NO CONTRADICTION.

[mulood]

salam

Saying its for muslim proselytizers is debatable, it depends on the individuals intentions and what they are trying to send across. I hope you know there also exists answering-islam.com, lol.

However, I like the way you answered that question Theja. Its a logical answer, however its from your own understanding.

For example, DV answer is different to yours!!!

.....and if I ask other christians, they will probably all give me a different answer.

Theja or DV I want to understand the bible with a clear and open mind, so can you please tell me abit about the apocalypse of Peter please?

kind Regards

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

Of course i am aware of the other Christian proselytizing site called answering-islam.com.

I think it's sad to see such sites, truly.
Why is there a need to proselytize one another instead of having to respect each other's faith?
It really serves no purpose except fuel hatred.
I believe there is a passage in the Qu'ran which calls for
respect to be given to the People of the Book.

As for Christianity, it is clearly said in the Bible:
"A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to Him.”
Luke 9:35

But should they refuse to listen:
"And whoever shall not receive you or hear you, when you go out of that place, shake off the dust which is under your feet for a testimony to them. Verily I say to you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorroah in the day of judgment than for that city."
Mark 6:11

And i am pretty sure there is also a statement in the
Qu'ran which is quite similar to the warning above.


If i asked a Muslim a question i am very sure i'll get a
different answer when Muslims from different sects reply.


The Apocalypse of Peter is a collection of Gnostic writings but they are not written by Saint Peter himself.

Gnosticism is a religion (an offshoot of Christianity - take note - "offshoot") that differentiates the "tyrant god" of this world (identified with the God of the Old Testament) from a higher, more abstract and loving God revealed by Jesus Christ.

[mulood]

I dont think there is any thing wrong with both sites, as long as its kept as a dialogue. I also think that it could bring great tolerance.

It is true DV, the Quran does advises us to respect the people of the book, and "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book except with means better".

Concerning the apocalypse of peter it was popular among christians during the 2nd century. They believed "it was spiritually inspired" by GOD Almighty to Saint Peter. Even Clement of Alexandria considered it as an inspiration. In contrary to that, it was the apocalypse of John (which is now known as revelation) which was doubtful.

There are even doubts that John even wrote revelation and the authors are mysterious.

What do you think?

[_DigitaLVampirE_]

I disagree.
If we continue visiting such sites that aim to proselytize members of the two faiths,
it only creates tension and respect for the faiths will be lost on both sides.
If we could accept that all religions have a certain
element of truth in their teachings, only then will tolerance prevail.
Take for example, the Ba'hai faith. They were persecuted in Iran for decades because the majority did not accept their teachings even though they had similar beliefs as such found in Islam. Their texts teaches us tolerance and respect for all religions. I do not however, endorse their faith as the "true faith". That is up to the individual to decide.

Similarly, Gnosticism was a thinking religion.
Some of their works made sense, others were simply "mysterious" and uninspired.
Clement of Alexandria was influenced by the gnosis way of a thinking religion. However, not all Christians accepted the Gnostic (Arabic) work (Apocalypse of Peter) as an "inspirational" text. It's doctrines are similar as to what modern day Orientalists cling to.
A historian of the early Church called Hermias Sozomen even reported it's use in the Good Friday liturgy in some churches in Palestine during the 5th century.

And there has always been tensions between the Oriental Christians and the orthodox Churches (too much to go into details). But it was basically about Church doctrines and dogma, most particularly the nature of the Trinity.

There are also disputes between the Shi'ites, Su'ni's, Sufi's, Druze, Wahhabi's regarding authentic Islamic doctrines and dogma and so forth. Catch my drift?


As for the Apocalypse of John a detailed description of it's works can be found here:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm
Many like to view upon it as a reference to end time prophecies but that is also being disputed. Personally, i look upon it as a work that is both philosophical and symbolic.
Nothing more, nothing less.