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[Theja]

Thanks folks for the heated exchanges here. I hope no one takes it personal. This way we can continue on....

I am writing in a very frank manner, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT... so please don't take it otherwise even if you feel slighted or strongly disagree.

Thetruth, talking about history, if I may be honest, Muhammad mixed up biblical history in his narration of events. If you try to quote Bible verses to support Muhammad, then I may be compelled to TEST him with biblical standards of a prophet and a true man of God, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. Are you willing for me to test Muhammad by the light of the Bible without anyone accusing me of insulting your prophet?

Coolpharess, how can I be afraid of God when I stand by His Word? It is you who need to investigate where you stand? You may be building your house on the sand --- it will fall (Matthew 7:21-27).

Safar, please follow this princible: do not judge the Bible by the actions of a few errant men. Judge the actions of these people by the teachings and principles of the Bible. If someone is dirty, has not taken a shower in months, and stinks, do not blame the soap manufacturer. Blame the lazy man.

[Ma_Li_Ka]

Originally posted by Theja
Hey Ma_li_Ka, glad you asked. No, Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian. I am sad for him because he went to hell. Horrible as his acts was, God gave him another chance but he did not take it. McVeigh refused to repent and accept the Lord before he died.

(Oh the guy at Waco, Texas.... David Koresh... he's a waco, a demon-possessed man. Deceived by the devil and caused great harm to others).

What is my agenda? I have no agenda. I come here because the Spirit of God nudges me to come and share what's on my heart. Now you may think I am here to evangelize. You know what? (please don't get mad for saying this) God is trying to speak to the people here one-on-one. Not because on the day of judgment he can say, "I told you so". But because you are His creation and He deeply cares for humanity.

I didn't take any offense. I firmly believe in what I believe in. Maybe that is something we could have in common. But Theja, all the arguments you point out are sort of hollistic since Muslims feel the same way about all the creeps that use their faith as an excuse, they feel the same way exactly as you feel about Koresh and others. It's an endless discussion.

[safar]

Originally posted by Theja

Safar, please follow this princible: do not judge the Bible by the actions of a few errant men. ...

theja,

Like always you ignored my question.

1. You need to learn to follow the above principle. Practice it before preaching it, as your previous posts have been nothing more than bigotted generalization of actions of 2 or 3 muslims to the entire 1.5 billion Muslims.

2. You need to learn respect others first. You need to learn not to throw unsubstantiated, vulgar obscenities on the beloved Prophet of Islam just to provoke Muslims on this and other (Ukraine.com) forums.

Safar

[Theja]

Oh Safar, so your unbending philosophy is that the MAJORITY MUST BE RIGHT (1.5 billion Muslims).

In the Bible the majority can be wrong. Remember the 12 spies sent to Canaan? 10 doubted and poisoned the mind of the rest. Only Joshua and Caleb had faith to say "we can do it".

Well, the majority was upset to the point of almost stoning Moses. But wait a minute....

What does God think? He disqualified the doubting 10 and the rest of the adults from entering Canaan. Only Joshua and Caleb in the adult generation were allowed to enter the PROMISED LAND. (Read Deuteronomy 1:18-46).

God is not interested in the majority. God is interested in the truth. God is interested in people learning and confessing the truth.

TO CONFESS IS TO AGREE WITH GOD.

[safar]

Originally posted by Theja
Oh Safar, so your unbending philosophy is that the MAJORITY MUST BE RIGHT (1.5 billion Muslims).

theja, Are you feeling okay? or do you feel overwhelmed?

Did you even read my post?? are you replying to my post? or just talking to yourself? or to some 'voice' in your head?

Where did I talk about majority? I was talking about your constant generalizing and stereotyping of Muslims both on this and other forums. And your failure to answer my question.

Can you please be a little coherent instead of going on a tangent?

And what is this 'Oh Safar..' about? Dude you are no preacher and this is not some late night TV evangelist song and dance fund raising program. This a discussion forum.

The readers can easily read my post and read your replies and vice versa so please stay on track.

thanks!

Safar

[-thetruth]

The Qur’an occupies an important position among the great religious books of the world. However it is the most preserved one, not just in hardback copies and audio and video tapes but also in the hearts of millions of Muslims all over the world. It is, therefore, natural that allegations would be that the author of this book is Mohammed (P.B.U.H) in order to reduce its religious status and value. Such claims are strongly denied by every Muslim due to not just faith, but the logical explanations against such claims. From the scientific point of view, no person in the sixth century AD (that is, fourteen hundred years ago) can utter such precise scientific evidence. For instance, the precise description of evolution of the embryo inside the uterus; the description is so accurate that it was only recently with the development of advanced scopes and image processings that such phenomenon was verified by human beings. Also from the literature point of view, the Qur’an contained a literature merit that the whole region of the Arab peninsula with its high calibre poets could not even produce a single chapter (surah) of the same calibre. There are numerous other logical explanations that would take us very long time to list, such explanations prove that it is not just unlikely for a human being to produce such a book but it is impossible even with the aid of the most powerful computers nowadays, a person would need to be a doctor, a ,chemist, zoologist, botanist, astronomist, poet, geneticist, mathematician, philosopher, historian, and so on, and still can not produce a single equivalent chapter (Surah). If you pick any book for a particular author you see the prevailing style throughout the book, in the Qur’an there is not just one prevailing standard throughout.

[coolpharess]

Originally posted by Theja
Thanks folks for the heated exchanges here. I hope no one takes it personal. This way we can continue on....

I am writing in a very frank manner, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT... so please don't take it otherwise even if you feel slighted or strongly disagree.

Thetruth, talking about history, if I may be honest, Muhammad mixed up biblical history in his narration of events. If you try to quote Bible verses to support Muhammad, then I may be compelled to TEST him with biblical standards of a prophet and a true man of God, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. Are you willing for me to test Muhammad by the light of the Bible without anyone accusing me of insulting your prophet?

Coolpharess, how can I be afraid of God when I stand by His Word? It is you who need to investigate where you stand? You may be building your house on the sand --- it will fall (Matthew 7:21-27).

Safar, please follow this princible: do not judge the Bible by the actions of a few errant men. Judge the actions of these people by the teachings and principles of the Bible. If someone is dirty, has not taken a shower in months, and stinks, do not blame the soap manufacturer. Blame the lazy man.

Coolpharess, how can I be afraid of God when I stand by His Word? It is you who need to investigate where you stand? You may be building your house on the sand --- it will fall (Matthew 7:21-27).
YES OF COURSE you are not afraid .
and you are still assuming that you are standing by god's word .
your definition of god and god himself is based on thiking."human thinking"
you can ask yourself this wise man .
how would god talk to you while you are not in his kingdom?
how would you be able to communicate with god and hear his word and do his words and you are ignored by the UNIVERSE.
i mean if it happens that 9-11 was going to cause death to 3 thousands of lives ..and iraq invasion more than 100 .000
lives and all over the world ...nature disaster and hunger.
you could not prevent this!!?
but no you are able to prevent islam from reaching your home
THAT IS YOUR BIGGEST FEAR.
well believe me if it is up to me I WISH YOU NEVER BE A MUSLIM.
I WISH YOU WISH MY WISH THAT ILL NEVER BE A CHRISTIAN.
AND JUST WAIT UNTILL THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT.
you know mohammad have copied the day of judgement from the bible hen ?
SO WETHER HE DID OR NOT ACCORDING TO YOU HATERS..THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS NOT A LIE..UNLESS YOU DENY IT?
ABOUT WHERE I SATND ?
IS WHERE YOU STAND .MOTHER EARTH.
AND WHERE MY HOUSE IS ..MOTHER EARTH.
SO MY HOUSE STANDING MEANS YOURS IS IN BIG HOPE TO BE STANDING.
MY HOUSE FALLING YOURS IS DEFINITLY NEXT OR EVEN FIRST .
AND YOU ARE NO BETTER .
YOU WORLD THEIF.
COME ON TELL US ABOUT THE WORLD THEFT AND IMMIGRANT TAXES AND SHEAP LABORS ILEGAL AND USE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS..
TALK TO US ABOUT THE GLOBAL WARMING AND NATURE DISASTER CAUSED BY YOUR GOVS THAT ARE IN HURRY TO BURN THE WORLD.
IS THAT GOD'S word OR SATANIC WORDS?
WAKE UP YOU ARE LESTINING TO A SATAN ..
NO DAMN DOUBT YOU ARE A SATAN SLAVE.
MOST OF PEOPLE KNOWS THAT YOU USE DEMONS TO CHRISTIANZE PEOPLE..I SEEK REFUGE TO ALLAH FROM ALL THAT IS EVIL.
I BEAR WITNESS THAT ALLAH IS THE ONLY GOD.
MOHAMMAD IS IµHIS MESSENGER OF LIGHT AND TRUTH.
ISSA SON OF VERGINE MARRY IS THE SLAVE OF ALLAH.