HEAVEN AND HELL -- Deleted

Originally posted by Theja
Hi Simple, appreciate your probing questions. Before we move on, let me ask you a question: Why do you (and many Muslims) assume that All Americans are Christians?

If there is a car accident, I don't blame the car manufacturer. I will try see how the driver committed errors --- or if someone hit him.

A few overzealous soldiers does not represent the Christian faith. The action of an individual does not necessarily represent Christianity.

Terrorism is carried out by people who have deep hatred in the heart, and who has no concern for the lives of innocent people. The Bible teaches that even harboring hatred itself is like being a murderer in the eyes of God. Therefore God will deal with any Christian who begin to nurture hatred. The Holy Spirit will keep convicting him until he confesses and get over it.

That's why I said a genuine Christian can never be a terrorist.

I didn't assume that all Americans are Christians, I just replied to your comments. Plus, most Americans are Christians including your commander of chief BUSh who claims to be a Christian and who claim to do what Jesus wanted him to do. After all, isn't that why he won the election. Christians wanted someone to protect them from the devil Kerry didn't follow the bible rules etc... why didn't Bush (Christian) chose other alternatives other than war?

[-thetruth]

Common sence tells me that when a man commits a crime he must pay for it according to our laws or repent and it's up to the judge to forgive him or sentence him in a fair way.

the commander of the faithful, Umar Bin al-Khattab says: "Criticize and appraise yourselves before you are criticized and appraised on the Day of Judgment, and weigh out your deeds before they are weighed out for you." (Transl.: "On that day will men proceed in groups, sorted out, to be shown their deeds. Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it." (Quran: Al Zalzalah/6-8))

the question which religion shall i follow to enter heaven?
Christianity that says heaven is only through Jesus(pbuh) or Islam that says:
And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew - or - be a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if you are truthful."
Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Surah 2 Verses 111 - 112

I think I will follow Islam cos it makes sense because

1. GOD IS ALL KNOWING.....BUT JESUS WAS NOT
2. GOD IS ALL-POWERFUL.....BUT JESUS WAS NOT
3. GOD DOES NOT HAVE A GOD.....BUT JESUS DID HAVE A GOD
4. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE GOD IS AN INVISIBLE SPIRIT.... BUT JESUS WAS FLESH AND BLOOD
5. NO ONE IS GREATER THAN GOD AND NO ONE CAN DIRECT HIM.... BUT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED SOMEONE GREATER THAN HIMSELF WHOSE WILL WAS DISTINCT FROM HIS OWN

The Religion before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book (i.e. Christians, Jews and others with scripture from earlier revelations) dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account.
So if they dispute with you (Muhammad), say: "I have submitted My whole self to God and so have those who follow me." And say to the People of the Book and to those who are unlearned: "Do ye (also) submit yourselves?" If they do, they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, Thy duty is to convey the Message; and in God's sight are (all) His servants.

Surah 3 Verses 19 - 20

[Theja]

Simple, I'm glad you don't assume all Americans are Christian. Also you should not assume most Americans are Christian.

Concerning the war issue, its too complicated and I'd rather not discuss it here.

thetruth, it is common knowledge that that we disagree. So I hope either you or anyone reading this post will not get upset.

I am sharing here so that even if many don't believe what I say, they will have a clearer picture of what Christians believe.

Concerning the Koran verses and the statements you made, they are wrong. It only shows that even Muhammad was ignorant of true biblical knowledge. He borrowed heavily from the Bible and made many errors. Not only that his knowledge of Judaism and Christianity was incomplete and confused. SO UNTIL THIS IS CLEARED UP YOU WILL ALWAYS ARGUE WITH THE WRONG FOUNDATION.

Muhammad had absolutely no foundation when he started Islam. All he did was borrowed from Christians and Jews and formulatted a different religion. And I am sad that millions of Muslims still to this day think they have the true knowledge to God. Yes, Muslims have the desire for God, but their knowledge for the true God is erroneous.

I hope, any sensible Muslim reading this will take the challenge of first learning the Bible accurately and then -- ONLY THEN -- compare and investigate the Koran and the behaviors of Muhammad.

You will find that Muhammad started a religion foreign to the Bible. Yet he borrowed heavily his religious ideas from the Bible.

[-thetruth]

salam
I knew you are following the wrong path so you have no real knowledge of history but instead you have been taught that Mohammed(pbuh) was stealing verses from the scriptures and out of the blue would make many things so perfectly written the man who never knew how to read or write suddently would write a book that billions of people are still puzzed at the way it composed.and many chalanges requesting the poets to come up with even a similar verse.
If U can produce facts to back what you are saying then I believe u if not bear in mind that if u say that you do not submit fully to God therefore and are want to remain a non believer you are condemning yourself to hell for ever with no mercy untill you repent.
i am not going to attack Christianity and I never did i always asked the christians if they follow Jesus(pbuh) why don't they folow his teachings and you will see his teaching are the same as messages from all prophets. Jesus(pbuh) did sensed the same and asked the disciples who are his followers and they said "bear witness we are Muslims(submitting to the ONE GOD) and we follow our prophet Jesus". those people and anyone who follow Jesus(pbuh)are the christians whom God will reward them . not the other people who are misguided who follow the wrong doctrine.
Wa Salam

ps: If Mohammed(pbuh) was fake who is the true prophet the scriptures speaks of?
Isaiah
60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
60:6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
60:7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.

In Isaiah 60:1-7, A prophecy about a Holy man (prophet) bringing the light of God to the world. This holy man would appear in a time of darkness filling the world and covering the earth, He would appear to eliminate the darkness and spread the light of God and his praises.

In Isaiah 60:3 we read "And the Gentiles shall come to thy light ", and that means this Holy Prophet would arise among the Gentiles and his Light would fill his place where the nations would come and visit.

In Isaiah 60:4, we find the people would come from far, the sons and daughters, all would come together for the Light.

In Isaiah 60:5-6 it keeps telling us about the coming of the people from all over the world to the Light.

In Isaiah 60:7, is the clear meaning, it's Kedar (Mekka) , Where its flocks and tribes would be gathered together under the light of God, "they would come up with acceptance on mine altar" (Note: Muslims during the Hajj "pilgrimage" they slaughter the sacrifices as one of the ceremonies and Muslims all over the world share that from their places which is called Eid Al Adha).

"And I Will glorify the house of my glory", and it refers to the Ka'ba in Mekka , the Sacred House for God's glory."

And this prophecy is mentioned in Qur'an :

Surah Al Hajj (the pilgrimage) 22,

26. Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).

27. "And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; "
(The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)

[coolpharess]

theja
with all respect
aren't you people afraid of GOD WHEN YOU DEPEND ON YOUR PHILOSPHY AND MIND
AND USE YOUR MOUTH LIKE IF GOD SPEAKING
what proof do you have beside i feel!!!
and i think!
and i assume?
THAT GOD SPIRIT SPEAKS TO ME ?

[safar]

Originally posted by Theja


Concerning the war issue, its too complicated and I'd rather not discuss it here.

theja, this is a complete cop out.

On Ukraine.com even after your vulgar obscenities against our beloved Prophet of Islam (PBUH), I patiently answered you.

Yet you are sidestepping the biggest crime of the 21st century, the killing and murder of 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Did you hear the latest Navy seals report theja?

1. A wounded, disabled Iraqi teenager was shot and killed in cold blood.

2. An Iraqi's hand were doused with gasoline and set on fire.

3. US soldiers played mock execution on Iraqis. (Exactly like the 'evil' japanese used to do in World war II according to US movies).

The above are just a latest small sample acknowledged by US Navy SEALs and does not include the little children killed by massive bombs dropped. What do you consider this?

I do have another question for you, do you or your fellows feel any shame or remorse for your support of killing of 100,000 Iraqi civilians?

Safar

[coolpharess]

Originally posted by Theja
Simple, I'm glad you don't assume all Americans are Christian. Also you should not assume most Americans are Christian.

Concerning the war issue, its too complicated and I'd rather not discuss it here.

thetruth, it is common knowledge that that we disagree. So I hope either you or anyone reading this post will not get upset.

I am sharing here so that even if many don't believe what I say, they will have a clearer picture of what Christians believe.

Concerning the Koran verses and the statements you made, they are wrong. It only shows that even Muhammad was ignorant of true biblical knowledge. He borrowed heavily from the Bible and made many errors. Not only that his knowledge of Judaism and Christianity was incomplete and confused. SO UNTIL THIS IS CLEARED UP YOU WILL ALWAYS ARGUE WITH THE WRONG FOUNDATION.

Muhammad had absolutely no foundation when he started Islam. All he did was borrowed from Christians and Jews and formulatted a different religion. And I am sad that millions of Muslims still to this day think they have the true knowledge to God. Yes, Muslims have the desire for God, but their knowledge for the true God is erroneous.

I hope, any sensible Muslim reading this will take the challenge of first learning the Bible accurately and then -- ONLY THEN -- compare and investigate the Koran and the behaviors of Muhammad.

You will find that Muhammad started a religion foreign to the Bible. Yet he borrowed heavily his religious ideas from the Bible.

SO YOU ARE ACUUSING JESUS OF BEEN A BIGGEST IGNORANT
BY COPIYING THE TORAH ?
you are the one that seems to be a fake profet saying that
ALLAH OR THE HOLLY SPIRIT SPEAKS TO YOU???
how dare you say so !!
knowing that ALLAH spoke only to moses and he have not seen him but behind a veil ..
you are demonizing islam and insulting our profet
and you are not even worth the dirth that he walks upon!
back to you idiot !
once you learn respect and other believers feeling than we can start a conversation...
this is so clair that propagandas will never end.
just like all of you that wants more followers to worship you
and believe in you
not in ALLAH GOD.
YOU ARE USING GOD BOOK TO INSULT GOD AND HIS MESSENGER???
AND WHO WAS MOSES THEN?
WHO WAS JESUS AND HIS MOTHER THAT YOU SHAMELESSLY HAVE MADE GOD.
AND HE WAS NOTHING BUT A WALKING MAN...HE FELT HUNGER
AND THIRST..AND NEED AND FEAR ...
JUST LIKE ALL MEN.
THAT IS NOT A GOD IMAGE?
SHAME ON YOU ?
SHOW ME MORE HOW IGNORANT YOU CAN BE ?