Why do Christians eat pork?

[mulood]

Salam.

Let us look the following Verse: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (From the NIV Bible, 2 Timothy 3:16)"

In the above verse, we clearly see that the entire Bible is supposed to be inspired from GOD Almighty.

There are few problems however with this claim:

1- There is no actual "Bible". The word "Bible" doesn't even exist in what we call today "The Bible". So when such claim is made, it is not right for us to use it to prove the entire "collection" was inpired from GOD Almighty.

2- Paul obviously didn't know much about the Old Testament for claiming that it is all "God-breathed". GOD Almighty said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)" See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Prophet Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death by their own hands.


3- Paul who spoke 2 Timothy 3:16 had rediculously contradicted himself, because he himself admitted before that he wasn't always inspired by GOD Almighty himself (1 Corinthians 7:25-35). Verses 1 Corinthians 7:25-35 are today permanantly preserved in the "Bible". If GOD Almighty indeed spoke 2 Timothy 3:16 through Paul, then He wouldn't have contradicted Himself in the Verse about the entire Bible being His Words, while permanatly preserving Paul's personal words and suggestions in the "Bible". This should be one solid proof that Paul was not truthful. Anyway, many famous Historians and Theologians before came to conclusions that Paul was not truthful.

4- Most of the New Testament is nothing but conversations between people, which are clearly not inspirations from GOD Almighty. For instance, Paul fought with Saint Peter and accused him of being "clearly in the wrong" (Galatians: 2:11-12), and had a huge argument with Saint Barnabas (Acts 15:36-39). Now one must ask, did GOD for instance favor Paul over Barnabas and Peter and inspired him the words while he was fighting with them? If so, since Peter was "clearly in the wrong", then how about his Gospels? Wasn't every word that Peter spoke supposedly inpired by GOD? How then could he be "clearly in the wrong"? One of them must be in the wrong, which in either case, would also produce another contradiction to 2 Timothy 3:16. Is Paul GOD Himself? No Christian believes in that. So why then take everything he says including 2 Timothy 3:16 as the Words of GOD Almighty when they contain clear contradictions in them?

[thejja]

I'm sorry Mulood, you're entering into something which will take quite some explanation. I can see your misunderstanding and erroneous allegation against Paul by sticking on to peripheral arguments. But this thread is not one to resolve them.

I WILL SIMPLY DISMISS YOUR POINTS AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.

As for my assertion, I find Muhammad failed to understand the Torah, and that is why Muslims to this day does not have a clue what it means to be "holy".

I ask Muslims how did Muhammad become holy, or how does Muslims understand holiness? But no one can give me satisfactory answer. PROOF THAT MUSLIMS DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOLINESS ACCORDING TO THE TORAH!

[poster]

hi thejja
are you a jew yourself? just a question.

[mulood]

Salam.

The simple fact......

Paul placed his personal 'revelation' above the Gospel of Jesus and the Law of Moses. He developed the notion of salvation through faith alone, leading to denunciation of the Law.

Paul taught obedience to the pagans and to the Herodians at a time when their tyranny was reaching the stage of terrible excess. His notion of religion was more of an individual belief, closer to that of the cults of the time than to the religion of God.

Jesus came to confirm this Law. Even later Pauline theologians could not expunge this subject from the collection of writings which became the New Testament. Respect for the Law was so basic to his teachings that to ignore it would have rendered all else invalid. Jesus said: "Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them. I tell you solemnly, till heaven and earth disappear, not one dot, not one little stroke, shall disappear from the Law until its purpose is achieved." (Mat 5:17-18). The final part of this statement makes matters even plainer. Jesus said: "Therefore, anyone who infringes even one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be considered the least in the kingdom of heaven; but the person who keeps them and teaches them will be considered greater in the kingdom of heaven." (Mat 5:19).

Paul had great confidence in the truth of his personal revelation. He seemed unaware of the teachings of the Gospel on the importance of the Law. It is of course possible that Paul did not know what Jesus had actually preached as he had not heard him and makes no reference to his teachings in his letters.

[thejja]

Thanks Mulood, for your opinion.

Remember, even before Moses (through whom the law was passed) was born, Abraham was justified by faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3).

No Israelite could fulfil the demand of the law 100 percent, so every year the High Priest bring the "blood" of the sacrificial lamb and enter the Holy of Holies. Without blood he would be struck death. And He make atonement for the nation.

First the tabernacle in the wilderness (portable), then permanent in Solomon's Temple.

But Jesus was perfect (Matthew 5:17-19), and only Jesus is perfect, and He offered Himself as the perfect sacrifice -- so when He died on the cross, the curtain shielding the Holy of Holies in the Temple was torn. To show that the perfect sacrifice has been offered.

From then on the temple service has no more use, because it was temporary and showing of better things to come. On 70 AD God allowed the Romans to destroy the temple.

So today in the name of Jesus Christ (who has gone to the Holy of Holies in heaven) we come to a Holy God.

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People may be religious, but if they violate the way of the Torah, God will not consider them "holy". God is not interested in religious excercises for the sake of it; nor is God interested in fanaticism that harm others in the name of God. He has provided for mankind to be made holy so they could come to Him and be with Him in heaven someday. But He cannot, and will not, allow unholiness in His presence.

[Theja]

Mulood, I'm impressed by the way you cite scripture verses, though your analysis and interpretations are wrong.

The Old Testament (OT), a collection of inspired books; the New Testament (NT), a collection of inspired books; together they are called The Book, or The Bible (Greek for book, biblos). What's wrong with giving something a name?

[-thetruth]

Salam
If you wish to know the truth then it's there clear in plain writting no contradictions no personal narations.
Allah created mankind for one purpose and if a person commit a sin common sense tells us that that person must either repent or pay for that sin , you can not kill a person and expect another human to bail you out.

“Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free”
John 8:31 – New International Version (NIV)

If one wishes to know why Muslims do not agree with Paul
Please see about Jesus messenger of Allah
http://www.jesus-or-allah.com/

Also regarding your question about Mohammed(pbuh) Mohammed(pbuh)was nothing but a messenger like all other messengers before him and when he died Abu Bakr said he who worshiped Mohammed mohammed(pbuh) has died but he who worshiped God God is eternal.

This belief in the oneness of God is indeed the message of all of the Prophets. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad) but We revealed to him (saying): Laa ilaaha illa Ana [none has the right to be worshipped but I (Allaah)], so worship Me (Alone and none else)”



[al-Anbiya’ 21:25]


if you look at the Aramaic version of the bible and the Torah it clearely speaks of Mohammed as a prophet. The prophecy in Deuteronomy Chapter 18 speaks about more a prophet like Moses.
Mohammed and Moses are similiar
see
http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/bible_muh.htm