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Old 17th August 2005, 16:41
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August 16, 2005: In Praise of Hirsi Ali

Women's rights are the very center of the War on Terror. In fact I would argue Islamofascism at its core is more than anything else an expression of rage against women and that Islam itself is not much better on that score. That is why to me Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of the great positive figures of our time, a modern Joan of Arc who surpasses the original Joan in a moral sense and is at least her equal in pure guts.

I have blogged on several occasions on my irritation (to put it mildly) with my Hollywood community for having ignored Ms. Ali and her now assassinated film collaborator Theo Van Gogh. This seemingly willful ignorance is one source of my alienation from what passes for "liberalism" in our society.

Ms. Ali's article in this morning's Wall Street Journal is another example of her courage. Wide-ranging in her coverage, the author takes us from Canada to Iraq.

It seems strange to associate the context of Canada with that of Iraq, but a closer look at the arguments used to reassure the demonstrating women in both countries reveals the similar ordeals that Muslim women in both countries must go through to secure their rights. It shows how their legitimate and serious worries are trivialized, and how vulnerable and alone they are. It shows how the Free World led by the U.S. went to war in Iraq, allegedly to bring liberty to Iraqis, and is compromising the basic rights of women in order to meet a random date. It shows how the theory of multiculturalism in Western liberal democracies is working against women in ethnic and religious minorities with misogynist practices. It shows the tenacity of many imams, mullahs and self-made Muslim radicals to subjugate women in the name of God. Most of all, it shows how many of those who consider themselves liberal or left-wing see their energy levels rise when it comes to Bush-bashing, but lose their voice when women's rights are threatened by religious obscurantism.

Those who think this war is not worth fighting chose to ignore the fate of hundreds of millions of Muslim women. Shame on them.

Do not miss reading the whole article which contains some disturbing anqalysis of the formalized oppression of women in the new Iraqi constitution.

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Old 17th August 2005, 17:05
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Hirsi Ali was born in Somalia. Because her father was an opponent of Siyad Barre her family was forced to flee. They fled to Saudi Arabia, later moving to Ethiopia and then to Kenya where she attended high school. In 1992, after being forced into an arranged marriage with a distant cousin in Canada, she did not catch her connecting flight at Frankfurt (Germany) and took a train to the Netherlands instead. In the Netherlands she received a residence permit on humanitarian grounds (even though she had landed in Germany and under EU rules should have applied for asylum there) and later citizenship. (Some doubts have been expressed about the accuracy of her story in general. In the German magazine Der Spiegel she said that she lived in Berlin before travelling to the Netherlands.)
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this run away home refugee uses all what her satanic messy life in order to destabilize the life of the Muslims in the Netherlands ,paid for her efforts and well taught the way of the wicked in crusaders school,she uses the Honor killing issue and the man beating his wife in Islam,to degrade Islamic teachings,of course she is an EX Muslim,before ,Now after getting her citizenship and done good in order to take it,she is pleasing thirsty donkeys like yourself ,who wants to cause another bias and i personally think that not killing her yet is a matter of time,thanks to you and your alike who mention her proudly !
may your sisters and your doughters and mother and your entire family be like her ,and make you so proud of them
2 van gough YOU ARE .i think every jew zionist hater is a van gough
ALONG with extremist crusade schools who train and educate the type of this run away girls and brain wash them until they uses them against their own people.
the issue of women abuse is not Islamic and the coupable does get his punishment,now let me tell you isn't in the Torah that the illegal intercourse is also punishable by death.
in Islam only the married ones not the singles .
we have more merciful law.
i wish i have more time for you ,loser.read your book than come and discriminate against our faith.
kick the Jews and crusaders school out of our land!
as well!!!!

They are the virus of world's Peace.

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Old 17th August 2005, 17:24
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Moving stories: Ayaan Hirsi Ali
BBC World Service's The World Today programme is asking migrants who have been successful in their adopted countries how they got to the top of their field.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an MP for the Liberal Party in the Netherlands, with a brief on immigration. Originally from Somalia, she fled to Holland after her father attempted to arrange a marriage for her.

I left Somalia when I six-years-old. I lived in Saudi Arabia for one year, in Ethiopia for one and a half years, in Kenya for 11 years, and I live in the Netherlands now.


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If I were to say the things that I say now in the Dutch Parliament in Somalia, I would be killed
I left Kenya because my father had chosen someone for me to marry.

He wanted me to go to Canada, where this man lived.

On my way to Canada I made a stop in Germany. I didn't agree with this marriage, so I didn't take the plane - I took the train to Holland.

You can say I ran away.

When I had finished learning the Dutch language, I thought I would like to go and study.

I came from a continent which is torn apart by civil war, and I wanted to understand that.

I took political science in college, and that's how I got involved with learning about power, about governments, about institutions, about citizenship - what makes Europe Europe, and what makes developing countries what they are now.

I wanted to understand - I came from a country in civil war, and I really wanted to understand why we had civil war and why it was peaceful and prosperous here.

I am now a member of parliament for the Liberal Party. My subjects - my portfolio - include the migration of non-Western migrants to the Netherlands, the emancipation of women, and development aid to developing countries.

Unfortunately I cannot do this line of work in my country of birth.

Somalia is made up of a population which is 100% Muslim. The radical leanings of a huge number of the population is unfortunately growing, and the position of the Somali woman has never been worse than it is now.

If I were to say the things that I say now in the Dutch Parliament in Somalia, I would be killed.

I wish I could go back, and I would love to go back, even if it's just to see my parents and brother.

But I can't go back, because the situation is that I have said things about the Islamic religion, I have said things about my past, I have said things about the Prophet Mohammed and his message about women.

By saying these things, I think I would be seeking danger if I went back to Somalia.

I'm not intimidated by the threats and the attempts to make me shut my mouth, because living in a rich western European country like this one, I have protection that I otherwise would not have in Somalia or in Africa or in any other Islamic country.

So I am going to make use of this huge opportunity - that I am protected and I can say what I want, that it gets published and spread, and that I am a voice in parliament for these women.

That's something that people forget, because that means you change the rights of women here. They have these rights, but you make sure they are implemented.

I would not change that. I think I wouldn't be able to do that in another country, and I'm not going to allow people to intimidate me.

I have memories - my parents lived there, and I have good memories of the weather, of food, of how as a child I played.

In a way I identify my childhood with my place of birth. I think that's just about it.

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v-p im more realistic don't start your with me
this fanatic zionist is degrading my faith and provking my community.
what does this to by compairing me and him.
i bet he is right you have an imaginary way of thinking.hence you don't realize you are creating it.
take care .and keep it peaceful.
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Old 17th August 2005, 17:32
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i believe that she have a complexe that have pushed her to do such a crime,when she blame islamic rules of marriage to be the ones separating her with her family and land.
the fealure of her marriage.
she now want sto see most of muslim women getting threatned as well and wants to see more suffering womens like herself.
how sad
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