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[coolpharess]

http://members.aol.com/thetruth/common.htm
Our Salvation is not their straight path
Our Salvation is guaranteed by the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on our behalf, on the Cross.

In Islam there is no Original Sin, and no need for the Cross; Allah, the all powerful, has the supreme authority to punish or to forgive whomever He pleaseth, whenever He pleaseth.
"He (Allah) forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punisheth whom He pleaseth, for God has power over all things." Surah 2:284
In Islam good deeds cancel bad deeds.
"For those things that are good remove those that are evil." Surah 11:114
The only assurance a Muslim has of going to Paradise is through fighting for the cause of spreading Islam (Jihad), and being martyred in the process.
"And if you are slain, or die in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass." Surah 3:157

Our Heaven is not their Paradise
In Christianity Heaven's pleasures are pleasures of spirit, pleasures of purity.
In Islam Paradise is the place where a Muslim will be reclining, eating meats and delicious fruits, drinking exquisite wines, and engaging in sex with beautiful women (and perpetually young beautiful boys "Wildan or Ghilman", according to some Muslim theologians).

"As to the righteous, they will be in gardens and in happiness (to them will be said "Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds "They will recline (with ease) on thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and we shall join (marry) them to companions with beautiful big and lustrous eyes... And we shall bestow on them, of fruit and meat, anything they desire. They shall there exchange, one another, a cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of ill. Round about them youth (handsome) as pearls well-guarded." Surah 52:17, 19, 20 & 22-24

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Dear Christian Brother/ Sister
There is a new trend, these days, among well-meaning Christians, that calls for understanding, making dialogue and building bridges between Christianity and Islam. These words may sound good, but unfortunately, in many cases they have been wrongly applied.

True understanding occurs when we try to know both the attractive side of Islam and the ugly side. True dialogue occurs when we listen to them and we insist they listen to us. True bridge- building occurs when the bridges we build with them go both ways. True love occurs when we tell them they are wrong if we know that they are wrong.

Muslims' message to Christians in the West, these days," We have a lot in common, we are similar, accept us, listen to us..."

It is a ploy, don't believe it; they use it only to spread their religion. After they gain the upper hand, Muslims' message will be, "We have nothing in common with you, you are infidels who worship three gods, and follow a corrupt Bible. You are dhimmis who must accept Islam or pay jizya (penalty tax) for being Christians..."

Then, there would be no understanding between Muslims and Christians, no dialogues, and no bridges....

Don't let Muslims deceive you into believing that Islam is a legitimate extension of Christianity. The Bible makes it clear that, "last of all," God the Father sent His Son Jesus (Matthew 21:37), and that the Bible is God's last revelation (Revelation 22:18). Jesus warns, "There shall arise false prophets, that if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24


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[Theja]

In essence what the article says is that when in minority Muslims wants dialog, acceptance and understanding. But when in majority Muslims impose many restrictions on the minority.

Here a Muslim can compare this analysis with real situations in Muslim countries -- do Christians have the same rights and privileges in Muslim countries, just as Muslims have the same rights in countries with Christian influence? (NO for Saudi Arabia, a very discriminating nation).

Since this is a Morocco forum, I'd like to know how the small number of Christians are faring in Morocco. Can Christians be judges, lawyers, apply and receive government grants and scholarships, become high government officials, get permit fast to build churches, build houses higher than Muslim houses, embrace Muslim converts (if any) into the fellowship, etc, etc ???? Also do they still pay the Jizya in Morocco?

[_thetruth]

Originally posted by Theja
In essence what the article says is that when in minority Muslims wants dialog, acceptance and understanding. But when in majority Muslims impose many restrictions on the minority.

Here a Muslim can compare this analysis with real situations in Muslim countries -- do Christians have the same rights and privileges in Muslim countries, just as Muslims have the same rights in countries with Christian influence? (NO for Saudi Arabia, a very discriminating nation).

Since this is a Morocco forum, I'd like to know how the small number of Christians are faring in Morocco. Can Christians be judges, lawyers, apply and receive government grants and scholarships, become high government officials, get permit fast to build churches, build houses higher than Muslim houses, embrace Muslim converts (if any) into the fellowship, etc, etc ???? Also do they still pay the Jizya in Morocco?

Let us remember again the difference between Islam and muslims if all Muslims were good and followed the Quran you would never see suicide bombing, gambling, cheatings ,bars and homosexuals............yet I chalange anyone who can show me any country where the law is followed ? None.
So where is the problem? the answer is in the Quran, it speaks about Hypocrits and those who pretend to be muslims and showed them their punishments etc... so let us not confuse a law and people. dictators are the problem not normal people and those who are angry takes it out on leaders and their helpers.......
Back to christianity
There is not one country where the bible is followed as it was written show me one please? none so there is no difference between muslims and christians, everyone wants to be better than others and they have the path clearly drawn for them those who follow it will gain others who do not will end up in hell,there is no way out.
Lets get back to Morocco, there are churches and Sinogores in every town and there is never been any problem following any religion there. The jews who used to live in Morocco are currently 20% of Israel population and those who are still living can testify that they were always protected. as for the christians they never had any problems except those who try to go knocking at people's doors trying to sell their ideas that is forbidden under the law for the muslims aswell so the law is clear. anyone can apply for a grant in Morocco to build what they want if money is available ,anyone can be a minister regadless religion. The king Advisor is a Jew.

[_thetruth]

Moroccan Jews
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...morocjews.html
Bishop of Rabat
http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=1721

[coolpharess]

salam theja!
there are ministers and presidents christians in the arb majority islamic world..as it was in lebanon..syria..jewish in morocco..
the holly thinkers of great powers have put a law that banns the unity of god's law and state law..that is mean source..of the issues and conflects..
do not focus on morocco now as if it is an answer to what has been written above ..a total fear and wrong mind!
this why there is hate and murders ..that is why chritians goes raping in abu ghareeb and killing unarmed men and women..
believing this fanatic christians who spread hates..and asume they know arabic and tafsseer al qur aan and it's meanings...
when would all of us live in peace!!!?
if dialogues will lead to wars and tribulations!!
YOU HAVE YOUR FAITH AND I HAVE MINE!
when you ask me kindly yes we can discuss things together
without degrading eachothers..
when we do it for the pleasure of our creator in order to seek his pleasure and true light of guidance..yes we can agree ..disagree and still be neighbors and be happy...ones!
but when power thirsty minds goes and plays with what is forbidden and what is not..switching the words of god wether in judaism ,christianity or ISLAM!!! leave the text as it is it is a subject of discussion not a subject of change!
what has been said above is very fabricated and ploted to create separation and hate bias...and that is very AWFULL AND UNHOLLY DEED AND ACT OF SATAN.
salam

[_thetruth]

Our prophet(pbuh) told us that they would be many sections of christians, Jews and muslims who would split and follow their own laws and That has happened. Today we see many people taken what they want and leaving what they don't like and call it the TRUTH. impose their believes on others and insist it's from God.