A Must read Hadeeth...

[_thetruth]

Originally posted by Jefferson


Come on now! Do you expect me to believe this. No man of science will accept such explanation. When I was a kid, I used to love listening and reading this type of stories, unfortunately now they don't impress me at all. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it is because chitani Kbar. [/b]

Jeff
The thing with Religion is to believe or disbelieve either you are in or out.
Let me try this: in one of the Haddith about end of time Mohammed(pbuh) spoked of things which made no sense at that time things like:
When a man is the east will be able to hear a man in the west........................ how many centuries people were confused what it meant??? now it is very simple it's called communications.
Other things 1400 years ago Allah said that a disbeliever is like a man in deep seas where he would not be able to see his arm an dit has layers and it's very dark etc....etc.... that whole aya no one could explain it till now where science explained it to us: a man can't see see red colour even he was bleeding he would not tell below 200 metres and the deep seas has layers and waves
check whole miracles that no one could understand in the past
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
etc..........
see? just because you don't understand what is around you because God limitted your knowledge and senses it does not mean that certain thing don't exist. you are alive thanks to O2 which you can not see or feel

Originally posted by _thetruth

Jeff
The thing with Religion is to believe or disbelieve either you are in or out.
Let me try this: in one of the Haddith about end of time Mohammed(pbuh) spoked of things which made no sense at that time things like:
When a man is the east will be able to hear a man in the west........................ how many centuries people were confused what it meant??? now it is very simple it's called communications.
Other things 1400 years ago Allah said that a disbeliever is like a man in deep seas where he would not be able to see his arm an dit has layers and it's very dark etc....etc.... that whole aya no one could explain it till now where science explained it to us: a man can't see see red colour even he was bleeding he would not tell below 200 metres and the deep seas has layers and waves
check whole miracles that no one could understand in the past
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/
etc..........
see? just because you don't understand what is around you because God limitted your knowledge and senses it does not mean that certain thing don't exist. you are alive thanks to O2 which you can not see or feel [/b]

LOL @ limited knowledge. All this philosophy and still limited.

Anyway, I could debate you and prove the weakness of your arguments, but I decide to accept them. One thing however I must mention, it doesn't require too much cleverness to recognize that diving into the deep waters will limit the light. One thing that amazes me in the Koranic miracles is that Muslim Scholars always wait until science proves or discovers something new before claiming that it was in the Koran and starting to forcedly stick some verse to it. Why don't these scholars find the answers before, why wait till after the facts. Also, the prophet was a very shrewd man. His rhetorical sayings can almost apply to everything. Saying that a man in the west can hear a man in the west was possible during the times of the prophet as well. Although it probably took weeks for the message to reach either one of them, the outcome was the same. They could hear each other. It is all becomes clear when you look beyond the clouds of faith.

[_thetruth]

Scholars are not scientists they explain things according to the religion
The bottom line is you either believe or disbelieve.
as Allah(swt) told us
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002.006 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
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Prophets do not speak from their minds they pass on messages directly from God.
evidence? when the christian priests went to meet the prophet(pbuh) he refused to discuss anything till he recieved a prophecy because he did not know anything
and then surat of al Imran came down explaining the position of Islam regarding Jesus(pbuh)
same thing happened with the Jews who chalanged him about Joseph(pbuh), they knew he had no knewledge of that event and were very happy to put him to test the whole Sura came down in one go with full details of what happened.which made many Jews enter Islam
many other miracles occured where people try to physically chalange the prophet to see if God would really help and they failed. the instance of a leader of a tribe who was very strong he wrestled Mohammed(pbuh) and swore he would enter Islam if he lost and the chalange went on for 3 times he lost 3 times and when he did he still refused to believe claiming that Mohammed was a sorcerer.
times when he had nothing to feed people and with a tiny amout of food he made multiply and was enough to feed many etc.......... the list is so long but we muslims are not concerned about them because Mohammed is not in question here it's God that matters

[samawat]

Yes, and now that God has come in the flesh of man he no longer needs "messengers" and "prophets". Jesus said,

"I AM the good shepherd. The Good Shepherd LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE for his sheep...whoever comes to me I will never drive away."

Originally posted by _thetruth
Scholars are not scientists they explain things according to the religion
The bottom line is you either believe or disbelieve.
as Allah(swt) told us
---------------------------------------------------------

002.006 As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
---------------------------------------------------------
Prophets do not speak from their minds they pass on messages directly from God.
evidence? when the christian priests went to meet the prophet(pbuh) he refused to discuss anything till he recieved a prophecy because he did not know anything
and then surat of al Imran came down explaining the position of Islam regarding Jesus(pbuh)
same thing happened with the Jews who chalanged him about Joseph(pbuh), they knew he had no knewledge of that event and were very happy to put him to test the whole Sura came down in one go with full details of what happened.which made many Jews enter Islam
many other miracles occured where people try to physically chalange the prophet to see if God would really help and they failed. the instance of a leader of a tribe who was very strong he wrestled Mohammed(pbuh) and swore he would enter Islam if he lost and the chalange went on for 3 times he lost 3 times and when he did he still refused to believe claiming that Mohammed was a sorcerer.
times when he had nothing to feed people and with a tiny amout of food he made multiply and was enough to feed many etc.......... the list is so long but we muslims are not concerned about them because Mohammed is not in question here it's God that matters

Tihad, you are right brov. It is indeed a question of faith. Religious narations are for the most part ambiguous. This is why they are magical.