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Old 10th May 2004, 12:22
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After the above explanation, I would like to add that Islam prohibits attacking those who do not fight. As what is stated above, the preemptive war in Islam is only permitted when there is treason against Muslims from the enemy with whom they live in peace, or imminent attack against the Muslim territories.

In such cases, Muslims are not supposed to stand hand-cuffed and wait to be slaughtered by others, although the war they are supposed to launch is not an aim in itself.
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Old 10th May 2004, 12:48
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After the above explanation, I would like to add that Islam prohibits attacking those who do not fight. As what is stated above, the preemptive war in Islam is only permitted when there is treason against Muslims from the enemy with whom they live in peace, or imminent attack against the Muslim territories.

In such cases, Muslims are not supposed to stand hand-cuffed and wait to be slaughtered by others, although the war they are supposed to launch is not an aim in itself.
thank you all especially sista H-K !!
to my fellow brodda judging me throu my emotions is not an act or a fair way to share a view!!
i know i may said it...but due to what has been done and to what is now going on!!!!
you should realise !!time of INNOCENCE IS ABOUT TO BE OVER!
if not....
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Old 10th May 2004, 13:33
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this may sound extremely contradictory..

It is against my religion to champion suicide bombings, which are being used against occupiers and a state which represses a nation of people.. I would never justify these actions Islamic speaking.

But I support the political struggle for independence, for the people without army or Military arms, against Military super powers - America, Russia and Israel... thus the action is justified.. it is about resistance and fighting the process of ethnic cleansing.

The striking against soft targets is uncomfortable - but ethnic cleansing is a crime against Humanity...

example the Palestinians are only doing what the Jews did, to resist against the Nazis (Jews used strapped on grenades in the Warsaw uprising) and to establish the land of Zion (Israel), Jews used bombs, left in cafés and market places, cars as well as many other tactics, to use against the Arabs (civilians) and the British, in Palestine.. before the hand over and establishment of Israel in 1948.
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Old 10th May 2004, 14:00
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this may sound extremely contradictory..

It is against my religion to champion suicide bombings, which are being used against occupiers and a state which represses a nation of people.. I would never justify these actions Islamic speaking.

But I support the political struggle for independence, for the people without army or Military arms, against Military super powers - America, Russia and Israel... thus the action is justified.. it is about resistance and fighting the process of ethnic cleansing.

The striking against soft targets is uncomfortable - but ethnic cleansing is a crime against Humanity...

example the Palestinians are only doing what the Jews did, to resist against the Nazis (Jews used strapped on grenades in the Warsaw uprising) and to establish the land of Zion (Israel), Jews used bombs, left in cafés and market places, cars as well as many other tactics, to use against the Arabs (civilians) and the British, in Palestine.. before the hand over and establishment of Israel in 1948.
LOOK AT ISRAELITES AREN4T THEY THE REAL SUICIDERS !!!
they live inside their ennemies !!
think about it!
why do they do that!!?
think why they came..and who inplanted them!!?
WHY ALL THEIR STRENGHTS IS IN WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUCTION!
WHY THEY DISARM ARAB AND MUSLIM COUNTRIES BUT THEY KEEP THEIR STUFF SECRET!!?
SUICIDERS HAVE NO WEAPONS!
SUICIDERS HAVE NO LAND!
SUICIDERS LOST THEIR LOVED ONES!
SUICIDERS ARE ATTACKED DAILY !!
NO DEFENSE NOR ANY ONE DEFENDS THEM!!
do i have to keep on going!!!
suiciders are the reason we live now!
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Old 10th May 2004, 14:24
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[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

[2:195] You shall spend in the cause of GOD; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; GOD loves the charitable.

[ 4:29] O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.

[ 4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.


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Old 10th May 2004, 14:31
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[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

[2:195] You shall spend in the cause of GOD; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; GOD loves the charitable.

[ 4:29] O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.

[ 4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.


yeahh thank you sir for going throu the holly quran
i can tell you about the biblical and old testament as well
but freedom is suicide bombers untill they are free or fought wiith same weapons!!
which can never happen !!cose they have none!
so to throw ourselves in tahlukahh is truly not wise!!
i suggest to stick that freaking devise in some kaffirs butt and blew it up instead
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Old 10th May 2004, 15:09
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[2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.

[2:195] You shall spend in the cause of GOD; do not throw yourselves with your own hands into destruction. You shall be charitable; GOD loves the charitable.

[ 4:29] O you who believe, do not consume each others' properties illicitly - only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.

[ 4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.

yeahh thank you sir for going throu the holly quran
i can tell you about the biblical and old testament as well
but freedom is suicide bombers untill they are free or fought wiith same weapons!!
which can never happen !!cose they have none!
so to throw ourselves in tahlukahh is truly not wise!!
i suggest to stick that freaking devise in some kaffirs butt and blew it up instead




[17:82] "We send down in the Quran healing and mercy for the believers. At the same time, it only increases the wickedness of the transgressors."

[43:36,37] "Anyone who disregards the message of God most gracious, we appoint a devil to be his constant companion. The devils then divert them from the path, yet make them THINK that they are rightly guided."







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