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Old 3rd May 2004, 14:02
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Salam brothers and sisters

Is it really important to give a mahr if one does not have money? surelly that haditt Nadia Quoted is the answer.
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Old 3rd May 2004, 18:20
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Asalaamu alaikom all,

A friend and I were discussing how much you should ask for when the question of a mahr arises between you and a potential partner....what do you all think??


Walaikoum Salam Habibatti,

As you’re aware there are no hard and fast rules concerning the mahr.

We are also instructed not to demand exorbitant amounts that the husband would not be able to pay. Prophet Muhammad {Peace & Blessings untu him} said,

"The marriage with the most blessing is the one with the least burden."
[Bayhaqi in Shu'ab al-Iman]

A reasonable amount would be the Mahr al-Fatimi, which was the amount Fatima (radhiyallahu anha) was given by Ali

And Allah{Subhanna Wa Ta’ala} knows best.

Wa Salam

Your Sister in Islam
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Old 3rd May 2004, 18:22
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Salam brothers and sisters

Is it really important to give a mahr if one does not have money? surelly that haditt Nadia Quoted is the answer.

Assalam Alaikoum Khoya,

I have been doing some research and basically to mention the dowry is not a condition for the validity of a contract. In fact, even if one marries on the condition that a dowry is not due, the marriage will be classified valid. (

al-Hidayah 1:238, Durarul hukkam)

And as always Allahu Alam

Wa Salam

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Old 3rd May 2004, 18:24
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Salam brothers and sisters

Is it really important to give a mahr if one does not have money? surelly that haditt Nadia Quoted is the answer.

Assalam Alaikoum Khoya,

According to Shariah, the only monetary requirement (in marriage) is the marriage payment or dowry (mahr) given by the groom to his bride. It is the right of the wife and the husband is obliged to pay it to her.

Allah Most High says:

“Give them (women) their dowers”. (Surah al-Nisa, 24).

And:

“And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift” (al-Nisa, 4).



Wa Salam

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Old 3rd May 2004, 18:44
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salam
my point is that you should stop going out with this man !!
and have discussions with him untill you get married !!!
the mahr is to my view a mandatory !!
don't tell me that some one living in uk should get married with surat al fatiha lol @
guys let's be logic in here ....
im with a none expensive one myself as im not married ...
but respectfuly it has to be one and i will not use my fiancee and her heart so i can go throu this one as well ????
man!!!!ittakou lahhh !!!!!!
salam
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Old 3rd May 2004, 18:50
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Dowry
Dowry, is a right of every bride prior to marriage. This is a gift that has been specified and mandated by the Islamic teachings. A marriage contract is not complete unless and until a dowry has been approved. Dowry cannot be dropped or forfeited, even if the bride approves, until the marriage contract is completed. The woman entering marriage has the freedom to do whatever she wants with what she owns after the marriage contract is fulfilled. Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), stated in the Glorious Quran (4:4) which the meaning of is translated as: “Give the women whom you marry their dower (obligatory bridal money given by the husband at the tie of marriage) with a good heart, but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it, and enjoy it without fear of any harm (as Allah had made it lawful).”

Dowry is one of the woman's rights. A husband may not, and is not allowed to take anything back of the dower that he has given to his wife if he decides to divorce her and seek another marriage. Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), stated in the Glorious Quran (4:20-21) which the meaning of is translated as: “If you intend to replace a wife by another and you have given one of them a 'Qintar' (approx. 100 kg of gold) as dowry, take not the least of it back; would you take it wrongfully without a right and with a manifest sin. And how can you take it back while you have gone in unto each other, and they have taken from you a firm and strong covenant?”

Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), also stated in the Glorious Quran (4:19) which the meaning of is translated as: “O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of their dowry you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. Live with them honorably; if you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good.” This verse ensures the wife's rights as illustrated by Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), as stated in the Glorious Quran.

It is forbidden and unlawful to inherit women against their will. We have illustrated earlier that Arabs during the pre-Islamic era used to inherit the woman herself. If a husband, who had grown up children who are capable of marrying, died; his widow was inherited by the elder son from another marriage; or else, that heir may offer that widow of his deceased father to any other man. Or, the stepson; i.e., the heir, used to forbid the widow of his father to marry someone else. This practice that rendered the widow as a commodity in the hand of the stepson or heir, entitled the man to do as he wishes with her.

Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), illustrated in the Glorious Quran that it is unlawful for a man to mistreat his wife in such a fashion that imposes hardship, harassment and burden to her. Such as insulting her, beating her, wasting her wealth and funds or even forbidding her from going out of her house, in an attempt force her to pay all she possesses as ransom to her husband to release her in divorce.

Islamic laws and teachings, however, permit the husband to impose hardship onto any woman who displays distorted moral conduct that is shameful and harmful to the entire society and may cause decay to the social order. A woman who fornicates, for instance, or commits adultery, may be treated harshly so that the man may demand return of the dowry that he gave her when he married her. Afterwards, such a woman may be offered divorce.

Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), commanded in the Glorious Quran that a husband must live with his wife honorably, kindly and with respect. A man must say and do nice things to his wife. A man must wear decent, clean and acceptable clothes when he sits in his household. A man must look in his best as he likes his wife to do for him at home, because this is only human nature. Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is reported to have said: “The most complete believers in terms of faith are those who possess the best morals. The best of you are those best to their wives.”[43]

Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is reported to have been always pleasant, kind and caring to all. He played and joked nicely and politely with his family members. He was also known to be very kind and good to them. Imam Ahmad reported Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as saying: “All things man may play with and have fun are rendered vain and waste of time except three items as follows: to practice archery, to train one's horse and to play and have decent fun with one's wife. These three items are lawful and truthful ones.”

Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) spent generously on his family members as he could financially afford. Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also is well known for being cheerful and decent in joking with his household and playing with them. 'Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her), the mother of the believers, is reported to have said: Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) raced with me and I beat him before I become old and heavy. Later, when I became old and heavy he raced with me again and he won. Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said to me upon winning the race: “This win of mine makes up for that win of yours.”[44]

Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is reported to have sat in the house for a short while with his family, talking to them, giving them company and showing kindness, before going to sleep, and after offering the late evening prayer, i.e. Isha. Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: "I slept at the house of Maymunah(the Prophet's wife) one night when it was her night to see the Prophet's night prayer. He (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) talked with his wife for a period of time then he slept."[45]

Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala), stated in the Glorious Quran (33:21) which the meaning of is translated as: “Indeed in the person of the Messenger of Allah there is a good example to follow for those who believe in Allah and the hereafter, and remembers Allah much. Hence, Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the best example to follow for all of us, the believing Muslims. Muslims ought to follow the pattern of Allah's Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) in all of their personal and public affairs throughout their entire life.”

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Old 4th May 2004, 00:57
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Salamo alaykom

Thank you sister Houda and thank you pharess for explaining everything in accordence with Shari'ah
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